------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: asylum.sf.ca.us, pub/klf :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Boo Date: Thu, 5 Nov 92 12:57:18 MST First test message. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: test Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:40:38 MST Testing bouncing. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: test 2 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 12:49:57 MST -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) "Hello. My name is Julie, and this is the M-16." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Subscription ack from Your Friendly Moderator Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 13:42:48 MST Hi everyone. Great response -- there are at least 35 people on the list as of a few minutes ago. I'll be sending out a more formal welcome message soon, probably later today. Please don't send mail to the list address (klf@asylum.sf.ca.us) until I give the go-ahead . . . this is a test message to make sure nobody's going to be bouncing mail to the entire list. Hope to see everything running in a few hours. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) "Hello. My name is Julie, and this is the M-16." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: KLF Mailing List Now Officially Online Date: Fri, 6 Nov 92 15:11:04 MST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: Available mid-November :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to Trancentral, the KLF/Orb Mailing list. Trancentral is for the discussion of music performed or produced by Bill Drummond, Jimmy Cauty, Alex Paterson, and Kris ("Thrash") Weston. This includes the KLF (formerly the JAMS and The Timelords) and the Orb, as well as directly-related projects such as System 7 (also known as 777) Fortran 5, Brilliant, Disco 2000, Space, and any of the dozens of other hands that have been remixed by Drummond, Paterson, and company. Trancentral is moderated by Lazlo Nibble (Ernie Longmire) and operated from asylum.sf.ca.us courtesy of John Romkey. The list is a simple mail-exploder and messages are not checked by hand before transmission, so please use your good judgement before sending extremely large messages or starting flamewars over the list. Some subscribers have trouble with high-volume lists. And please remember that ALL requests to join or leave the list should be mailed to the "klf-request" address, not "klf". The list is not automated, and the moderator has a life outside of the net, so requests may occasionally take a few days to be processed. The list is not available in digest form at this time but may be in the future. Many KLF/Orb-related files will soon be available via anonymous FTP from the archives at asylum, including the KLF/Orb discography and a complete archive of the original KLF mailing list run by J.R. Binks. Again, to SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE, send mail to klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us. To send a message to the entire list, send mail to klf@asylum.sf.ca.us. ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 12:07:28 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: test, ignore testing, 1, 2, 3. ---------- Date: 07 Nov 1992 11:48:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Baphomet 93 Subject: Orb tour info, anyone? Assuming that this list is now under way, I shall start it out by asking all of the fanatix.orb.orb.orb if anybody has any information regarding Orb tour dates in the U.S. Well, when do I get to worship? ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "don't leave earth without one." | | moorewd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | `------------------------------' `-----------------' ---------- Subject: The White Room Date: Sat, 07 Nov 92 14:14:30 -0800 From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the movie _The White Room_? Does it even exist? Will it answer all my questions (if it does exist) about ice cream vans and 1968 Ford Galaxy American Police Cars and 99's? Thanks in advance. -Conrad ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Orb tour info, anyone? Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 18:33:44 EST > Assuming that this list is now under way, I shall start it out by asking all > of the fanatix.orb.orb.orb if anybody has any information regarding Orb tour > dates in the U.S. Well, when do I get to worship? > ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. > | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "don't leave earth without one." | > | moorewd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | > `------------------------------' `-----------------' I just got a postcard in the mail yesterday from the U.S. info service which mentioned that the US Orb Tour will begin in February 1993. Hooray! Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: The White Room Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 18:02:16 MST > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the movie _The White Room_? They never got a chance to finish making it. 'Waiting' is worth tracking down, though! > Will it answer all my questions (if it does exist) about ice cream vans and > 1968 Ford Galaxy American Police Cars and 99's? I bet the articles in the archives would, once I get the archives up. Lots of KLF info sheets and similar nonsense. -- _^_ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [O=O] Moderator of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /___\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 92 17:38:41 -0800 From: bt garner Subject: Re: The White Room #> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the movie _The White Room_? #> Does it even exist? Probably not, at least not in a finished form. Better yet, does anyone know where someone could grab hold of a copy of "The Rites of Mu?" As far as I know, it was only released as a Promo only VHS (PAL format, too, most likely) in the U.K. Any ideas? bt garner bt@cpac.washington.edu ---------- From: datta@cs.uwp.edu (David Datta) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1992 21:50:13 -0600 Subject: Re: The White Room } I bet the articles in the archives would, once I get the archives up. } Lots of KLF info sheets and similar nonsense. Till Lazlo copies them (and they will stay here also) you can get the archives for the old list from ftp.uwp.edu in /pub/music/lists/klf -- -Dave datta@cs.uwp.edu Now where did I put the crackers & cheeze? ---------- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 14:12:37 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Any stuff for sale perhaps? If any of you have ORB/KLF related material you would like to sell, please contact me. CD format only please. Thank you in advance. aLex. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Any stuff for sale perhaps? Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 12:25:40 MST > If any of you have ORB/KLF related material you would like to sell, > please contact me. CD format only please. Thank you in advance. As a matter of fact, I have a spare "It's Grim Up North" CD5, if anyone is interested. I'd prefer a trade. This is my current wants list: JAMS, The: All You Need Is Love UK 12": SofMu JAMS 23T JAMS, The: 1987 -- The JAMS 45 Edits UK 12": SofMu JAMS 25T JAMS, The: Down Town UK 12": KLF Comm JAMS 27T JAMS, The: Who Killed The JAMS? UK LP: KLF Comm JAMS LP2 JAMS, The: It's Grim Up North (grey vinyl) UK 12": KLF Comm JAMS 28T KLF, The: What Time is Love? (trance/mix 2) UK 12": KLF Comm KLF004T KLF, The: What Time is Love? (primal/slam...) UK 12": KLF Comm KLF004R KLF, The: 3 a.m. Eternal (original) UK 12": KLF Comm KLF005T KLF, The: Kylie Said To Jason UK 12": KLF Comm KLF010T KLF, The: Kylie Said To Jason UK CD5: KLF Comm KLF010CD KLF, The: Trance Kylie Express UK 12": KLF Comm KLF010R KLF, The: The "What Time Is Love" Story UK CD: KLF Comm JAMSCD4 KLF, The: What Time Is Love (trancen/wandaful) UK 12": KLF Comm KLF004P KLF, The: WTIL? (moody boys/bunnymen/virtual) GE CD3 KLF, The: What Time Is Love (goa megamix) UK 12": KLF Comm KLF4Z KLF, The: What Time Is Love (power/klf/7") GE CD5: GiG 9031-72897-2 KLF, The: What Time Is Love (techno slam/gate) SE 12" KLF, The: 3 a.m. Eternal (moody boys) WG CD5 KLF, The: Last Train... (benio over & out+dub) WG 12" or CD5 KLF, The: Justified... (anti acapella) UK 12": KLF CHOC ICE 3 KLF with Extreme Noise Terror: 3 a.m. Eternal UK 7": KLF Comm KLF 5TOTP Orb, The: Kiss EP UK 12": W!MM MWS 10T Orb, The: A Huge Ever-Growing... (original) UK CD5: Big Life BLR270CD Orb, The: A Huge Ever-Growing... (remix) UK CD5: Big Life BLR 27CD Orb, The: Little Fluffy Clouds UK CD5: Big Life BLR 33CD Orb, The: Little Fluffy Clouds (remix) UK 12": Big Life BLR 33R Orb, The: Perpetual Dawn (ultrabass ii) UK 12": Big Life BLRR 46 -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Any stuff for sale perhaps? Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 18:34:36 EST > If any of you have ORB/KLF related material you would like to sell, > please contact me. CD format only please. Thank you in advance. > > aLex. I have a few extra copies of the What Time Is Love? US promo CD5 (Arista) with 2 mixes. One is just a regular version, the other is a 'new remix' which I would say is just a 'different edit'. $7 each, ppd. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Archives active Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 16:48:18 MST As our three or four new members already know, the archives at asylum are now active. FTP asylum.sf.ca.us and go to directory pub/klf. The file 'Index' contains a complete list of the files, which includes the current discography, several articles and press releases, and all of Culfinion's old "KLF News" postings from the old mailing list. The archives will also include the complete proceedings of the mailing list, stored on a month-by- month basis. -- _^_ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [O=O] Moderator of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /___\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: Airstream- Any connection? Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 20:33:43 EST So, it appears that all of our want lists are about the same.... Does anybody have info on the band Airstream? I bought the 12" single of "I'll dream of you" because it had a cool Designers Republic style sleeve, and it said "Produced By Steve Hillage" on the back. However, the music was rather un-Hillageish, or Orb-ish. Rather like Live, if you ask me. Anyway, does anyone have any clue who they are, or if some of their other stuff is closer to what I've come to expect from Hillage et.al.? -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com "How Can the Music Play When The Only Band Is Made Of Gold?" -Tori Amos ---------- Date: 08 Nov 1992 22:11:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Baphomet 93 Subject: Klonk Blip Every Trip Hiya again, folks, another question. I remember an idiot neighbor of mine once had the 3 a.m. Eternal cassette single. It had a song on it called "Klonk Blip Every Trip" which I seem to remember being incredible. It seems like I've seen a 3 a.m. Eternal 12", but it didn't have this song on it. Is it as good as I remembered, and if so how could I get a copy? ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "don't leave earth without one." | | moorewd@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | `------------------------------' `-----------------' ---------- Date: 08 Nov 1992 22:13:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Baphomet 93 Subject: SPACE Another question. I saw the "SPACE" CD at Tower about a year back and didn't buy it, not yet being in the know as to it's origin. I have seen it nowhere since and am VERY much interested in obtaining a copy. So I have two questions: [1] Is it still available ANYWHERE?! [2] If not, will someone who has it please make me a copy? ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "don't leave earth without one." | | moorewd@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | `------------------------------' `-----------------' ---------- Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1992 23:14:38 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: o.o.b.e What do these initials mean? By the way, I like the 2cd jewel case for u.f.orb. Is the UK import worth buying? Haven't seen it, any additional tracks in it? aLex.orb.it.all. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Klonk Blip Every Trip Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:49:51 MST > Is it as good as I remembered, and if so how could I get a copy? The "klonk blip..." remix of "3am Eternal" is on the following releases: 12": 1991 UK (KLF Communications KLF 005Y: +wl) [14 Jan 1991] 12": 1991 US (Arista AD-2231) [May 1991] 12": 1991 GE (Blow Up 125.799) CD5: 1991 GE (Blow Up 825.799) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: o.o.b.e Date: Sun, 8 Nov 92 21:54:44 MST > What do these initials mean? "Out Of Body Experience". 'U.F.Orb' is heavily-influenced by the modern UFO cult; "Blue Room" refers to the "blue room" where the Roswell saucer- crash aliens were supposedly kept, and "Majestic" is a reference to "Majestic-12" (or some similar number) -- a "secret government memo" revealing the existance of aliens. "Sticky End" refers, of course, to bath mats. :-) > By the way, I like the 2cd jewel case for u.f.orb. Is the UK import > worth buying? The US and UK versions of 'U.F.Orb' are apparently identical, aside from the US bonus disc. The Beautiful Box *is* nice, isn't it? If anyone knows where you can buy empty ones, please let me know . . . -- _^_ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [O=O] Moderator of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /___\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 09:36:08 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Airstream >Does anybody have info on the band Airstream? >Anyway, does anyone have any clue who they are, or if some of >their other stuff is closer to what I've come to expect from >Hillage et.al.? I don't know anything about Airstream, but if you want to listen to the ambient side of Hillage I suggest you pick up "Rainbow Dome Musick", which is an Hillage album from 1979 (re-released on CD). It's perfect for any chill out room with its sound effects (purling water, seagulls..), slowly bleeping synths and subsonic bass. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: o.o.b.e Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:04:10 EST > "Out Of Body Experience". 'U.F.Orb' is heavily-influenced by the modern > UFO cult; "Blue Room" refers to the "blue room" where the Roswell saucer- > crash aliens were supposedly kept, and "Majestic" is a reference to > "Majestic-12" (or some similar number) -- a "secret government memo" > revealing the existance of aliens. "Sticky End" refers, of course, to > bath mats. :-) Yeah, I've been speculating about OOBE and others... OOBE could be as above, that's what I think it is... however OOBE's are psychic experiences rather than UFO related. SOmeone mentioned OOBE might be a perversion of EBE which means Extraterrestrial Biological Entity... that's more relevant... > > By the way, I like the 2cd jewel case for u.f.orb. Is the UK import > > worth buying? If my friend gets me the double USOrb, I'll be selling my British version... Email me, if you're interested... I think he managed to get it... will confirm soon. > The US and UK versions of 'U.F.Orb' are apparently identical, aside from > the US bonus disc. The Beautiful Box *is* nice, isn't it? If anyone > knows where you can buy empty ones, please let me know . . . Isn't orb packaging just brilliant? Especially the discs and the Blue room pix. How many members has this list got so far, Lazlo? Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: SPACE Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 20:07:40 EST > I saw the "SPACE" CD at Tower about a year back and didn't buy it, not yet > being in the know as to it's origin. I have seen it nowhere since and am > VERY much interested in obtaining a copy. So I have two questions: > [1] Is it still available ANYWHERE?! > [2] If not, will someone who has it please make me a copy? I'm also interested in exchanging tapes with anyone who's got some decent ambient/industrial dance/synth pop music to trade... Please email me for a cd list :) I've heard SPACE is inferior to Orb and Chill Out... true or false? Paul ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:24:15 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: packaging >Isn't orb packaging just brilliant? Especially the discs and the Blue room >pix. Actually, I've always thought that the artwork for Orb records has been very dull. Not at all as good as some other ambient bands, like Spectrum for instance. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: jeffy@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Space vs. Chill Out vs. Orb Date: Mon, 09 Nov 92 09:17:46 EST Well, I've heard all three; I probably like them equally as much, but since I don't have Space, I've been running around the country trying to find a copy... jeffhansen|||jeffy@athena.mit.edu|||X Magazine: Blah blah blah ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 16:45:35 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Orb Live - review From Select December issue: THE ORB Leicester Polytechnic The understanding was that the Orb would take the stage at around 9pm. It's now 9.30 and... and... what? They *could* be up there. It's difficult to tell... no, it's just one DJ, and a lot of zesty dance toons pounding into the hall. The tiles are slipping from the walls in the toilet with each resounding thump. The queue for the cloakroom is clogging up the route to the bar, and when the strobes start blinking everybody starts to look like so much television static... A word on the 'stage'. It is comprised of, on either side, two massive globes which are projecting lighting effects culled from every "Man From Uncle" episode you can think of. In the centre is a revolving star, The Orb's equivalent of the Batman insignia. What do you want, a band? It's 10pm and The Orb come on, finally. Cheering. A few strange noises from their direction. A snazzy intro, excellent. BOMMMMMMMM, it goes, BOM-BOM. BOMMMMMMMM, bom-bom. This goes on for a while. BOMMMMMMMM, bom-bom. Yes... and? After about (BOMMMMMM, BOM-BOM) ten minutes of this (BOMMMMMMMM) some of us (BOM-BOM) begin to feel a tad bored. Everyone is staring at the stage waiting for something. Thrash and Alex amble around, adjusting dials, looking busy, while all the time nothing is happening. Even the people on drugs know that nothing is happening. They sidle up to others and say, Is it just me or is nothing happening? Bang, it ends, at last, and the beats start up and the dancing begins again. What can you say about gigs such as these? The Orb on tour is as strange a concept as... I dunno, a pen going on tour. On your record player they are functionally pleasant, an unwinding device after a hard day spent listening to real music. Onstage they do their job and people generally have a good time. When they go all new age however, all action ceases and the effect is one of stupendous boredom (I actually saw someone yawning and dancing simultaneously, which seemed to sum the event up perfectly). After a wonderful blast of Gene Kelly doing 'Singing In The Rain', they depart, and we make our way, dazed, into the night air, thinking that it was not so much a gig as a happening. It was a happening in the sense that it happened. That's all that's really clear. Graham Linehan - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:21:59 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Artwork (was Re: packaging) >Actually, I've always thought that the artwork for Orb records has been >very dull. Not at all as good as some other ambient bands, like Spectrum >for instance. I agree. I liked the artwork for Ultraworld, but I was disappointed a bit with u.f.orb. I didn't like the cover that much. However, I think that the packaging and the bonus cd compensate for that :) >- chris@minsk.docs.uu.se aLex.orb.it.all - wondering when the orb is going to collaborate with Vangelis, maybe do a cover of the Bladerunner soundtrack... ---------- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 12:48:55 -0500 From: saeed@watson.ibm.com (Saeed Jaffer) Subject: Brilliant-Box ... other ambient bands > The Beautiful Box *is* nice, isn't it? If anyone knows where you can > buy empty ones, please let me know . . . I believe it's called Brilliant-Box. Has anyone ever seen this used before in other releases? I wonder who has the patent for this and who's manufacturing the boxes -- don't you wish all your double-discs came in this? I wouldn't mind converting all my double-discs to this if anyone knows where one can get it from. I've seen a few names of ambient house (if that's the right term) bands thrown around here: Spectrum, SPACE, etc. Anyone willing to review these in some detail? I got System 7 (777) and Fortran 5, but was sorta disappointed by them. I prefer Orb much more. I'd like to know more about these others before laying down the dough. --saeed ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: This Is What The KLF Is About Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 22:56:00 EST Nobody's mentioned these yet, so I will. They've been sitting around the record stores here for the last two weeks. This Is What The KLF Is About Japanese box sets - each contains 3 CD singles in full size jewel boxes, as well as a booklet which I didn't get to see but I would assume (as EMI's Japanese releases have fairly predictable booklet formats) contains nice pictures, lyrics in English and Japanese, and a Japanese bio on the band. Each box lists for $69.99 and was being sold at these stores for about $64.99 ... ouch. Not really worth it in my opinion, either. Set 1: EMI TOCP-7401~3 What Time Is Love (live from trancentral 7" version) What Time Is Love (The KLF vs The Moody Boys) What Time Is Love (1988 Pure Trance Original) 3AM Eternal (live at the s.s.l. 7" radio freedom edit) 3AM Eternal (Guns of Mu Mu 12" edit) 3AM Eternal (1989 break for love mix (original pure trance mix)) Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent 7" radio edit) Last Train To Trancentral (the iron horse 12" version) Last Train To Trancentral (the white room version/import lp version) Last Train To Trancentral (1989 Pure Trance original) Set 2: EMI TOCP-7404~6 Justified & Ancient (Stand by the JAMS 7" radio edit) Justified & Ancient (White Room version) Justified & Ancient (All bound for Mu Mu Land) Justified & Ancient (Make Mine a 99) Justified & Ancient (Let them eat ice cream) America: What Time Is Love (radio edit) America: What Time Is Love (America no more) America: What Time Is Love (uncensored) America: What Time Is Love (America no more (just the pipe band)) It's Grim Up North (radio edit) It's Grim Up North (part 1) It's Grim Up North (part 2) It's Grim Up North (Jerusalem on the Moors) sorry about my capitalization... it's all caps on the boxes and they misspelled JAMS (stand by the JAMES)! sigh... Mike ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 21:07:58 MST > Each box lists for $69.99 and was being sold at these stores for > about $64.99 ... ouch. Dave Stein (Ear/Rational Music, angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu) had a couple of these sets for around $40 US each. Might be worth checking out, if store prices are really that ridiculous. (What was the price in yen, Mike, did you notice?) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mc Mars) Subject: 3 a.m. (1989 Break for Love) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 15:16:02 EDT Could somebody please tell me if the 1989 Break for love mix on the 3am eternal CD (KLF 005CD) is the same mix as the "Break for Love" mix on the original 3am eternal 12" (KLF 005T)? Mario Moeller / / _ / moeller@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au |/| |_ ----------------------------------------- |\|/| ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 23:27:58 EST I didn't notice what the price was in yen, Laz, sorry. :) Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 00:48:11 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Fortran 5 discography anyone? ... title says it all. aLex.orb.it.all ---------- Subject: Love those movies Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 00:56:06 PST From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU Anyone know what the status of _The Black Room_ is? Same as TWhiteR I fear? I have a KLF/Orb discography from the KLF/Orb mailing list klf@a.salf.ac.uk - does this mailing list still exist? If people want me to post the discography, let me know. One final thing - how do you get those .sig/.signature/whatever files to be included at the end of your letter? I use mh for mail and xrn/rn for newsgroups. Any info would be much appreciated. -Conrad ---------- From: Lee Sanders Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 11:31:36 GMT Subject: RE: Fortran 5 discography anyone? Does this mean "Would anyone like one ?" Oh yes please that would be very nice, thankyou. (Alright, I admit it. I knew what you meant. ME TOO) Lee. lee@muppet.bt.co.uk ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Love those movies Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 8:49:12 MST > I have a KLF/Orb discography from the KLF/Orb mailing list > klf@a.salf.ac.uk - does this mailing list still exist? If people want > me to post the discography, let me know. Culf's mailing list went down when he lost his access for a summer a few months ago. I don't know if he knows about this list yet -- I have his new address around here somewhere and I'll try to tell him. Please *don't* send the discography to the list! It's available from the archives and I'd be happy to email it directly to anyone who wants it. We've got around 75 subscribers now and I doubt they all want the thing, which is absolutely huge at this point. -- __^__ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Moderator of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- From: Drew Radtke Subject: FTP archives Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 13:09:45 GMT I was wondering about the KLF info sheets which have been very usefully typed up and put in the archive. Does anyone have the sheets between 13 and 23 (which was recently posted to rec.music.misc) on line? Do these indeed exist? If they do but they're not online; if anyone has a dark photocopy of them I could OCR them in on my HP scanner. Also I'm not sure if issue 1 of these sheets is on there or not. Any pointers here would be useful! -- Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 12:52:49 -0800 Subject: Re: FTP archives Drew Radtke writes: >I was wondering about the KLF info sheets which have been very usefully >typed up and put in the archive. Does anyone have the sheets between 13 >and 23 (which was recently posted to rec.music.misc) on line? Do these >indeed exist? If they do but they're not online; if anyone has a dark >photocopy of them I could OCR them in on my HP scanner. Also I'm not >sure if issue 1 of these sheets is on there or not. >Any pointers here would be useful! If you've read Wilson and Shea's 'Illuminatus!', then you know that 23 is a special number. I'd bet that they jump from 13 to 23 is intentional. I'm not saying there necessarily aren't any sheets with numbers between those two, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if there aren't any. C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1992 19:51:04 -0400 From: "J. Mascis" Subject: KLF/Orb discography Hey!!!!! Can you please send me a copy of the KLF/Orb Discography ASAP? Would be much appreciated. E-mail address: Paul.S.Rhee.1@nd.edu ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Discogrpahy requests Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 0:32:00 MST Just as a suggestion -- please send discography requests directly to me at lazlo@triton.unm.edu or through the klf-request address. I've already had a couple of people unsub because of the list's "high volume" (!). :-) -- __^__ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Moderator of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Subject: Re: Discogrpahy requests Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 23:53:59 PST From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU >Just as a suggestion -- please send discography requests directly to me >at lazlo@triton.unm.edu or through the klf-request address. I've already >had a couple of people unsub because of the list's "high volume" (!). :-) Wot a bunch of whiners these losers are! Git with the program and talk about the topic. They want volume? I'll give 'em volume... "Well, mine goes up to 11!" _________________________________________________________________________ / \ / Conrad G. T. Yoder ***** conrad@cs.stanford.edu \ / \ \ Whether this is the eternal echo of a Victorian steam-driven revolution / \ or the turbo-driven kick of a distant northern rave is irrelevant. / \_________________________________________________________________________/ ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Discogrpahy requests Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:53:17 EST > > Just as a suggestion -- please send discography requests directly to me > at lazlo@triton.unm.edu or through the klf-request address. I've already > had a couple of people unsub because of the list's "high volume" (!). :-) Man, they would DIE. I was on bong, babble, intro, and adolph all at once. I'm not on babble any more, it was far too much to handle... WHo's got the space CD? Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Discogrpahy requests Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:08:46 EST > > Wot a bunch of whiners these losers are! Git with the program and talk about > the topic. They want volume? I'll give 'em volume... Please no :) I have exams to study for... > > "Well, mine goes up to 11!" ObKLF: Well, make mine a 99!! Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:11:43 EST CHILL OUT. What does it cost in the US? Is it rare? Paul ---------- Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 02:19:08 PST From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU >CHILL OUT. > >What does it cost in the US? Is it rare? >Paul I happened across my copy whilst browsing at Tower in Mountain View, CA. Only copy of it there. Was ~$14 or so - nothing outrageous. Haven't seen it anywhere else, though. _________________________________________________________________________ / \ / Conrad G. T. Yoder ***** conrad@cs.stanford.edu \ / \ \ Whether this is the eternal echo of a Victorian steam-driven revolution / \ or the turbo-driven kick of a distant northern rave is irrelevant. / \_________________________________________________________________________/ ---------- From: Brian Hostetler Subject: Wanted -- 'A Huge Ever' CD5 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 10:32:35 -0500 (EST) Anyone know where I can get a copy of the 'Huge Ever Pulsating Brain, etc' CD5? BTW, there's a copy of 'Chill Out' here used --8.75$. -brian *bhostetl@ucs.indiana.edu | "Stop and breathe, close my eyes bhostetl@iubacs.bitnet | and smell and listen... no more cotton bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | candy, no more band concerts..." ---------- Subject: Orb From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1992 11:32:29 -0500 Can anyone tell me the lengths of the three tracks on the Orb's Peel Sessions disc? It's been sitting in the record store here for a while now, and the only reason I haven't bought it is that it's $25.99CDN. Any comments, folks? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ [reduced signature for Mark Tompsett] _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ I'm in the pocket, _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ just like Randy T. ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: The KLF video Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 4:01:13 EDT In the discog, a video "The KLF" (running time 150:00 mins) is advertised as being available by Mike Dutton. Could someone point me in the right direction as to where I can contact Mike Dutton and purchase a copy of this tape? __________________________ _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ _____________/ moeller@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au |\|_| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 09:18:24 -0800 From: bt garner Subject: Re: Orb #> Can anyone tell me the lengths of the three tracks on the Orb's Peel #> Sessions disc? It's been sitting in the record store here for a while #> now, and the only reason I haven't bought it is that it's $25.99CDN. A Huge Ever Growing Brain ... (20:10) Back Side Of The Moon (10:00) Into the Fourth Dimension (12:20) Pretty Spiffy disc. In the US it can be had (from the Dutch East India Company) for $12-14. It's great stuff, good background music. I just wish I had a decent CD player to play it on (soon, soon, he says). bt garner bt@cpac.washington.edu ---------- Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:04:16 +45722724 From: |.They.have.corrupted.themselves@cats.UCSC.EDU, >CHILL OUT. >What does it cost in the US? Is it rare? >Paul It's available on Wax Trax Records, out of Chicago, quite readily. EAR/Rational Music, which Lazlo (I believe) has already mentioned on this list, carries it for $11.99 plus shipping. That's EAR/Rational Music 1118 Castillo St. Santa Barbara, CA 93101 805/564-4949 805/893-8553 FAX It's *definitely* worth it. C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- From: ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 13:13:40 PST |.They.have.corrupted.themselves@CATS.UCSC.EDU, wrote: |It's available on Wax Trax Records, out of Chicago, quite readily. | |EAR/Rational Music, which Lazlo (I believe) has already mentioned |on this list, carries it for $11.99 plus shipping. | |That's |EAR/Rational Music |1118 Castillo St. |Santa Barbara, CA 93101 |805/564-4949 |805/893-8553 FAX I just tried that number and got what sounded like someone's home answering machine. Santa Barbara information didn't have a listing for EAR/Rational, even after trying several spellings. Help! Cliff Tuel __o o__ HP/Apollo System Admin \( v )/ YELLO & ART OF NOISE mailing lists: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo /___\ Yello-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu ^ ^ AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: Re: FTP archives (fwd) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 17:04:38 EST Forwarded message: > From cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Wed Nov 11 15:15:44 1992 > Message-Id: <9211112016.AA13984@am.ucsc.edu> > To: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) > Subject: Re: FTP archives > In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 11 Nov 92 00:20:34 -0500. > <9211110520.AA29869@bsu-cs.bsu.edu> > Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 12:16:03 +45722724 > From: |.They.have.corrupted.themselves@cats.UCSC.EDU, > > > You write: > [KLF-Illuminatus! connections deleted] > >4) The name KLF could be seen as a bastardization on ELF, the ERISIAN Libera- > >tion Front(I think. It's been awhile...). [NOTE: KLF, for those who don't know > >, stands for Kommunication Liberation Front(Yes, I know it's misspelling!)]. > > >Those are about all I've come up with....still something to ponder, eh?? > > To that I'd add many of the early lyrics ("All You Need Is Love," for > instance, has the line "Immanentize the Eschaton," or however that's > spelled). Also, I think KLF is actually Kallisti Liberation Front, > or at least it was in the book (it's been a while for me, too). > They (Cauty & Drummond) have also explained the initials as Kopyright > Liberation Front and Killer Low Frequencies. Really, now? I've never heard any of the "early stuff"(depends on what you mean). Huh. Cool. BTW, the spelling IS correct. > > Let's see..Other connections: On the Stadium House: The Trilogy video, > the stuff after the three songs is credited as "Live from Woodstock, > Europa," one of the versions of "Last Train..." is "Live from the > Lost Continent," probably an Atlantis reference...that's about all I can > come up with off the top of my head. > Of course, with all the wearing of India-robes and cow-horns, it's also possi- ble that they mean Shangri-La(LOST HORIZON), or even Xanadu.... > You might want to forward this to the list. > Consider it done! > C. > > | They have corrupted themselves, > Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: > cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. > -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 9:06:31 EST WOw, thanks everyone who responded about Chill Out. Looks like I have to buy it... Again, I have to say how cheap your CDs are compared to ours... Paul ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: This Is What The KLF Is About...CHILL OUT Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 9:09:44 EST Since I may need to get Chill Out from Wax Trax, can someone give me details on ordering? Thanks! I'm glad this list started up...I see a lot of good things coming out of this... LIke: Review 777 and Fortran 5 Blues someone! :) Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: FTP archives (fwd) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 9:34:15 EST > > To that I'd add many of the early lyrics ("All You Need Is Love," for > > instance, has the line "Immanentize the Eschaton," or however that's > > spelled). Also, I think KLF is actually Kallisti Liberation Front, > > or at least it was in the book (it's been a while for me, too). > > They (Cauty & Drummond) have also explained the initials as Kopyright > > Liberation Front and Killer Low Frequencies. > > Let's see..Other connections: On the Stadium House: The Trilogy video, > > the stuff after the three songs is credited as "Live from Woodstock, > > Europa," one of the versions of "Last Train..." is "Live from the > > Lost Continent," probably an Atlantis reference...that's about all I can > > come up with off the top of my head. > Justified Ancients of Mummu make an appearance in the book. They are a bunch of ancient gods... I think there was also a rumored lost continent called Mu. It's quite clear that the KLF have a lot to do with the Illuminatus. What the connection is i dunno. Doesn't wilson make music though? And what is the significance of make mine a 99??? I wanted to put together a band called AMA, i thought the name was so cool. But I hear there's already a band with that name... anyone can verify this? Morgen das SonnenSystem! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ independently of KLF fandom, I liked this quote so much... I chose it as a motto... And a band name... Perhaps I was sub consciously influenced... _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:49:11 -0800 Subject: Re: FTP archives (fwd) paul eng-yi tan writes: >And what is the significance of make mine a 99??? A '99' is an ice-cream cone with a piece of chocolate stuck in it. The significance is up to you to determine. C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- From: Roy Badami Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:09:11 GMT Subject: Re: FTP archives (fwd) >>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 92 9:34:15 EST, paul eng-yi tan said: paul> And what is the significance of make mine a 99??? Presumably a reference to the ice cream van (but could someone tell me what all these references to ice cream vans are about?) [In the UK, a Flake 99, (or often just a '99) is a wafer cone with a scoop of vanilla ice cream and a piece of Cadbury's Flake. Any ice cream van will know what you mean if you ask for a '99.] -roy -- Roy Badami, Harlequin Ltd, Barrington Hall, Barrington, Cambridge, U.K. Internet: roy@harlqn.co.uk UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!harlqn!roy When we reach that point, whatever happenned _will_ happen again... ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: "The KLF" video Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:19:26 EDT In the discog, a video "The KLF" (running time 150:00 mins) is advertised as being available by Mike Dutton. Could someone point me in the right direction as to where I can contact Mike Dutton and purchase a copy of this tape? __________________________ _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ _____________/ moeller@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au |\|_| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: "The KLF" video Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 19:33:29 EST > In the discog, a video "The KLF" (running time 150:00 mins) is > advertised as being available by Mike Dutton. Could someone point > me in the right direction as to where I can contact Mike Dutton and > purchase a copy of this tape? Mike Dutton 58 Red Lion Ct Bishop's Stortford Herts CM23 3YL ENGLAND Tel: 0279 505443 His mail order business is called Second Stage. He has a lot of KLF and Orb stuff, but he does know their value so don't expect anything to come cheap. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 20:00:37 EST From: Mike DeMurga Subject: Adventures... Hi. I'm looking for a copy of Orb's "Adventures..." 2-cd import. Anyone have any leads, and how much it should cost? Many Thanks, Michael DeMurga ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:46:41 -0800 Subject: md@THEORY.ESM.ROCHESTER.EDU Mike DeMurga writes: >Hi. I'm looking for a copy of Orb's "Adventures..." 2-cd import. Anyone >have any leads, and how much it should cost? Your best (and most reliable) bet would be Tower Records. I know they carry it (in a version with a jewel box like the US UFOrb, yet), for somewhere in the $30 price range. You should be able to special-order it from any Tower store, or from their mail-order service, which I don't have the tel. number for, but it's advertised in their free magazine, 'Pulse!' Any less corporate suggestions would, of course, supplant this. :) C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 21:34:58 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" I just got the video "Patterns and Textures" in the mail today. I'm going out to buy a new TV tomorrow. The tape is *wonderful*! One question, though - on the attached CD is written: "soundtrack recorded live at brixton fridge sunday may 12th then digitally remixed by orb april 1992" Huh? Was it really recorded that long ago? I seem to remember the concert/ video premiere being this past summer/spring.... a check of a friend's calendar/watch verifies that May 12th 1991 was indeed a Sunday, yet I don't remember the Orb being popular at all until September that year or so... Brian p.s. - I fully reserve the right to be wrong... ;) ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:45:07 EST > I just got the video "Patterns and Textures" in the mail today. I'm > going out to buy a new TV tomorrow. The tape is *wonderful*! > One question, though - on the attached CD is written: How is the CD, is it essential? I've got Ultraworld, Aubrey, and Peel Sessions...plus BLR, UFOrb w/o extra disc. You mail ordered it? How much was it... I think they had a few copies here but they were >60$ i missed out.. Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 22:50:40 -0800 From: Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Subject: Re: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" The CD is essential only in the way every Orb CD is eesential - what was even weirder was that amongst the "Adventures"-era tracks was also Towers of Dub... The video is, well, the visual equivalent of Orb music. I got it for about $38 from Dave Stein, angst%cs@hub.ucsb.edu. I think he might have a few extra copies... Brian ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 0:39:32 MST > a check of a friend's calendar/watch verifies that May 12th 1991 was > indeed a Sunday, yet I don't remember the Orb being popular at all until > September that year or so... The 'Ultraworld' album was released 15 April '91 and "Pulsating Brain" came out in October of *1989*. So yeah, it's quite likely that the "Sunday May 12" was a year-and-a-half ago. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 18:54:34 EST > > a check of a friend's calendar/watch verifies that May 12th 1991 was > > indeed a Sunday, yet I don't remember the Orb being popular at all until > > September that year or so... How, exactly, was the CHill out album recorded? Ambiathon meaning? Was it recorded live and remixed later? Exactly How live, does anyone know? Was it just two guys with samplers, records, etc, or did they have backing tapes, synths, sequencer, any info?? Ciao! Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: Roy Badami Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:27:32 GMT Subject: Re: md@THEORY.ESM.ROCHESTER.EDU >>>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 92 18:46:41 -0800, cspot@CATS.UCSC.EDU said: cspot> Your best (and most reliable) bet would be Tower Records. I know they cspot> carry it (in a version with a jewel box like the US UFOrb, yet), for cspot> somewhere in the $30 price range. That almost makes it cheaper for me to re-import a copy from the US, than buy it domestically in the UK :-( [Not really true, but I've seen it for 17 pounds (about $31) in the shops here...] ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: A good place to get KLF stuff from. Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 1:21:43 EDT Fellow KLF collectors: A good spot to get your KLF collection fix from is obviously Britain, home of The KLF. There exists a good mail order company there, "Adrians Records" who are a wizz on postal and phone orders (credit card is obviously the best bet). Shipping is ultra fast, Airmail, and 12"s are sent in a totally sturdy box and arrive in mint condition, although a little expensive (10 pounds minumum). Most KLF 12"s are 3.99 pounds, which for some of the rarer ones (KLF 005T, KLF 005R) is a pretty good deal. Promo ones such as (CHOC ICE1) are usually ten pounds. Telephone: UK - (0268) 7333 18/19/20 (three lines). FAX: UK - (0268) 7645 07 Postal address: Adrians 36-38 High Street, Wickford, Essex SS12 9AZ United Kingdom. Some excerpts from their latest catalogue: 12" KLF 005X (3 AM Eternal ) 3.99 12" KLF 005R (3 AM Eternal [original] ) 3.99 12" KLF 005T (3 AM Eternal [pure trance] ) 3.99 12" KLF 005Y (3 AM Eternal [moody boys] ) 3.99 12" KLF 099X (Justified and Ancient ) 3.99 LP JAMS LP5 (Chill Out ) 8.99 12" KLF 26 (Dogg Bite Megamix [bootleg]) 6.99 12" KLF 008X (Last Train to Trancentral ) 3.99 12" KLF 008Y (Last Train [moody boys] ) 3.99 LP JAMS LP6 (The White Room ) 8.49 LP SPACE (Space ) 8.49 CD WAX TRAX (Chill Out [US] ) 15.99 CD (UK) ORB (Aubrey Mixes ) 12.49 CD (US) ORB (Aubrey Mixes ) 16.99 CD (UK) ORB (Peel sessions ) 10.99 __________________________ _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ _____________/ moeller@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au |\|_| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 09:43:41 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Adventures... >Hi. I'm looking for a copy of Orb's "Adventures..." 2-cd import. Anyone >have any leads, and how much it should cost? > What is the difference between the 2-cd import and the US version? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Date: 12 Nov 92 08:16:00 -0800 From: BRADY_DAVID@tandem.com Subject: Re: The Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld In the Ca. Bay Area a store called CD Warehouse normally has the double CD version. BTW, picked up my copy at the same store for $8.99 - they mispriced a used copy of it. :-) David ---------- Subject: Make mine a From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:35:23 -0500 > A '99' is an ice-cream cone with a piece of chocolate stuck in it. More specifically, it's vanilla ice-cream with a Cadbury Flake in it. Very rare these days. 'Specially in November. =) _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- Subject: KLF From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:38:51 -0500 Incidentally, for all you _Chill Out_ fans, there's a great GIF of the cover art available via anonymous FTP from cs.uwp.edu in the directory /pub/pictures/klf. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:51:03 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Re: The Orb's "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" >> a check of a friend's calendar/watch verifies that May 12th 1991 was >> indeed a Sunday, yet I don't remember the Orb being popular at all until >> September that year or so... >The 'Ultraworld' album was released 15 April '91 and "Pulsating Brain" >came out in October of *1989*. So yeah, it's quite likely that the >"Sunday May 12" was a year-and-a-half ago. I remember first experiencing the Orb thru the Deep Heat compilation. Unfortunately, I can't remember which one. It had "little fluffy clouds." This must have been at least two and a half years back. aLex. ---------- Subject: Double-CD Adventures From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:51:39 -0500 RE: I picked it up for $8.99, used! Damn! If they ever accidentally misprice it again let me know! I think if I ever actually saw it around here, it would probably be around $40. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:55:40 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Re: The Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld >In the Ca. Bay Area a store called CD Warehouse normally has the >double CD version. >BTW, picked up my copy at the same store for $8.99 - they >mispriced a used copy of it. :-) Stuff like this makes me go mad! I picked up my copy for 33 dollars, one when I stumbled upon it while looking through the lousy imports of Tower Records... Oh well... aLex. ---------- From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk Subject: Re: "The KLF" video Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:16:23 GMT Mike "J." Brown wrote: > > In the discog, a video "The KLF" (running time 150:00 mins) is > > advertised as being available by Mike Dutton. Could someone point > > me in the right direction as to where I can contact Mike Dutton and > > purchase a copy of this tape? > > Mike Dutton > His mail order business is called Second Stage. He has a lot of KLF > and Orb stuff, but he does know their value so don't expect anything > to come cheap. Ok, someone is bound to ask this anyway; is this tape worth getting? It sounds quite good. Has anyone bought it? How much is Dutton selling it for and does he ever listen to his answering machine? It's all I've got this morning. -- Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---------- From: Roy Badami Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 17:40:41 GMT Subject: Re: Make mine a >>>>> On Thu, 12 Nov 1992 11:35:23 -0500, your humble friend and narrator said: > A '99' is an ice-cream cone with a piece of chocolate stuck in it. jdrage> More specifically, it's vanilla ice-cream with a Cadbury jdrage> Flake in it. Very rare these days. 'Specially in November. jdrage> =) Might be rare in North America, but any ice cream van will sell you one here in the UK. (Are ice cream vans commonplace in Canada and the US...?) Can someone explain to me what all the ice cream van references are about...? Did the KLF drive an ice cream van...? -roy -- Roy Badami, Harlequin Ltd, Barrington Hall, Barrington, Cambridge, U.K. Internet: roy@harlqn.co.uk UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!harlqn!roy When we reach that point, whatever happenned _will_ happen again... ---------- Subject: Ice cream From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1992 13:18:07 -0500 No, we don't have ice-cream vans here in North America. I was born in England, that's how I knew about the '99' phrase. Over here, we get teenaged kids driving combination bicycle-fridge contraptions and ringing bells all over the place. And it's mostly popsicles and whatnot. No ice-cream. =( _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- From: ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) Subject: Re: Ice cream Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 10:35:27 PST your humble friend and narrator wrote: |No, we don't have ice-cream vans here in North America. Don't make blanket statements like that -- growing up in San Jose, California, I saw them all the time. Sorry for getting off the subject... Cliff Tuel __o o__ HP/Apollo System Admin \( v )/ YELLO & ART OF NOISE mailing lists: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo /___\ Yello-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu ^ ^ AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: FAQ List Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:57:48 MST I can tell already that a list of Frequently Asked Questions is going to come in very handy on this list. So far I know that I'm going to include: * Differences between US and UK 'Adventures' and 'White Room' * A list of mail-order addresses * Pointers to other relevant archives (including the pictures at cs.uwp.edu) * "What's a 99?" :-) If anyone has suggestions for any other things you'd like to see appear, please email me directly at lazlo@triton.unm.edu. -- __^__ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Maintainer of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:12:54 -0500 From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: Re: Make mine a Well, I think they're phasing out ice cream vans in this country, since a buddy of mine had a motorbike when he was the ice-cream-man this summer.... What this has to do with anything is beyond me, but.... ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: The Orb's Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 8:45:50 EST > >BTW, picked up my copy at the same store for $8.99 - they > >mispriced a used copy of it. :-) > Stuff like this makes me go mad! I picked up my copy > for 33 dollars, one when I stumbled upon it while looking > through the lousy imports of Tower Records... Oh well... I got my 2CD adventures at virgin for $40. I then saw it at gaslight for $28, and i have 10% off there so it'd be ~23 total. So? I returned it to virgin, got a voucher, and proceeded to buy it at gaslight :) Often, if you keep the receipt, you can return stuff that was overpriced... Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: jeffy@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Ice Cream Vans 'n' Such Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 16:58:48 EST The KLF used to "pop up" unexpectedly in places, blasting tunes and passing out ice cream, from their ice cream van (featured on the "Justified and Ancient" CD5). During an intermission at one of Emo Phillip's concerts, they drove onstage, blastin' and passin'... Very typical of the "strange" behavior of the KLF. To any UK schlub: seen the KLF car around? I know chances are slim to none, since Bill seems to be holed up in Mexico City; they did actually use the car for motoring purposes, as one of my friends once almost got ran over by it as she emerged from the Underground... Lazlo: You might want to slap a QuikFactList in the FAQ, something like one-line statements on the order of "Where are they now?" "Why sheep?" etc... jeffy@athena.mit.edu|||Doctor on board ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Adventures... Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:50:29 MST > What is the difference between the 2-cd import and the US version? The US version deletes "Back Side Of The Moon" (14:15) and "Spanish Castles In Space" (15:06), edits "Star 6 & 7 8 9" from 8:10 to 4:23, and remixes "Perpetual Dawn" down from 9:30 to 3:48. All told, the UK version is almost 40 minutes longer . . . and much, much better. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Subject: KLF parka Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:51:33 -0800 From: athomas@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU Has anyone seen a cheesy KLF blue vinyl parka type thing (with a hood) around? A friend of mine got one from a promotional person at Arista and gave it to me. Its pretty massive (it goes past my knees) and it has the KLF/JAMMS pyramid logo on the front and KLF in huge letters on the back. I'm just wondering cuz besides mine, i've never seen one. Also has anybody seen a JAMMS cd (not the "It's grim up north" single) with a cover similar to "Who killed the JAMMS"? I've seen it once and I'm pissed that I didn't pick it up. It had about 18 songs on it and was around $15 - $20. When I went back to pick up a couple weeks later it was GONE! Oh well.... Andy ---------- Subject: KLF parka Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 15:51:33 -0800 From: athomas@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU Has anyone seen a cheesy KLF blue vinyl parka type thing (with a hood) around? A friend of mine got one from a promotional person at Arista and gave it to me. Its pretty massive (it goes past my knees) and it has the KLF/JAMMS pyramid logo on the front and KLF in huge letters on the back. I'm just wondering cuz besides mine, i've never seen one. Also has anybody seen a JAMMS cd (not the "It's grim up north" single) with a cover similar to "Who killed the JAMMS"? I've seen it once and I'm pissed that I didn't pick it up. It had about 18 songs on it and was around $15 - $20. When I went back to pick up a couple weeks later it was GONE! Oh well.... Andy ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 20:56:35 EST From: Mike DeMurga Subject: "Adventures..." THE NEW RE-RELEASE! In the new issue of SECONDS (#19) there is a two page interview with the Orb. Besides talking about ambient music and what U.F.Orb is about, they mentioned re-relasing the two disc version of "Adventures.." world-wide, since so many people have complained that it was cut in half for the U.S. release. They said it might be available as a limeted-edition deal. uh, that's "limited" That would make a GREAT Christmas release :) --Michael DeMurga ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: KLF parka Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 23:49:25 MST > Also has anybody seen a JAMMS cd (not the "It's grim up north" single) > with a cover similar to "Who killed the JAMMS"? That's 'History Of The Jams a/k/a The Timelords' -- it's a compilation of stuff through "Burn The Beat" (the first KLF single) and is essentially the US/OZ version of 'Shag Times'. You can probably still find it here and there if you're diligent. The US tracks are All You Need Is Love, Don't Take Five (Take What You Want), Whitney Joins The JAMS, Porpoise Song [instrumental remix], Down Town, Candyman, Burn The Beat, Doctorin' The Tardis, and on CD, Gary In The Tardis. I've heard that the Australian version replaces Whitney with Disaster Fund Collection -- true? If so, it'd be the only place that track's available on CD. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:04 CST Subject: Promo Disk w/UF Orb What songs are included on the Promo Disk that comes with the US release of UF Orb? And are they different from the Blue Room 2cd set and Assassin 2cd set? r0b ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:28:51 EST > What songs are included on the Promo Disk that comes > with the US release of UF Orb? And are they different from the > Blue Room 2cd set and Assassin 2cd set? Is Assassin released in the states? Or OZ (doubtful) Paul Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:31 CST Subject: Who Said That? I've been wondering if anybody ID's any of these Orb Samples? "The Music Just Turns Me On" "Your the best boy friend a girl ever had" "Your a DJ, whats That... ha ha ha ha" "THings are just Popping up all over. The camera pans into the audience and were on T.V. were actually on TCV ..." I know about the Lavar Burten/Rickie Lee Jones in Little Fluffy Clouds but if anybody can id any of these samples or any other. it would make my day. r0b ---------- From: chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:36 CST Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Paul, I ordered assassin from Ear/Relational Music. It was an import from England i have no idea about when or where it will be released. Ear/Relational Music is based in California, i think? r0b ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:43:05 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Dutton >> Mike Dutton >> His mail order business is called Second Stage. He has a lot of KLF >> and Orb stuff, but he does know their value so don't expect anything >> to come cheap. > >Ok, someone is bound to ask this anyway; is this tape worth getting? It >sounds quite good. It *is* quite good. Especially since KLF (apparently) stopped doing TV interviews some years ago. Most of the interviews are from the Timelords era, but they're still quite interesting. >Has anyone bought it? How much is Dutton selling it for and does he ever >listen to his answering machine? It's all I've got this morning. Dutton is not a very reliable person so don't expect him to send you things unless you've called him several times and said 'will you send them to me, PLEASE!'. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 7:45:13 EST > > What songs are included on the Promo Disk that comes > with the US release of UF Orb? And are they different from the > Blue Room 2cd set and Assassin 2cd set? > > r0b > The tracks on the promo are: Blue Room (radio edit) Blue Room (remix) <--new mix by Frank DeWulf Assassin (Oasis of Rhythms mix) Blue Room (full length) <--40 minute version The Blue Room 2cd set contains the radio edit, full length, an extract from the full length, and Towers of Dub (Mad Professor remix). The Assassin 2cd set contains the Oasis of Rhythms mix, Another Live Version, Chocolate Hills of Bohol mix, a radio edit, and U.F.Orb (Bandulu remix) Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 07:53:47 EST From: Mike DeMurga Subject: Who Said That Orb Sample I.D.'s: There was a list being compliled on rec.music.industrial. I never saved it, but perhaps someone did and could post it. --Mike ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:38:26 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Comments & Questions I am fairly new to the ambient house scene and I wanted to ask a few questions regarding the orb/klf and company. Comment: First of all, to those that are new to this type of music, I suggest picking up the ambient FAQ, printing it, taking it with you to a couple of used cd stores and find what you can. That is what I have been doing the last few weeks and I have bought a ton of stuff and incredibly low prices. In the last few days I have bought The history of the JAMS, Fortran 5 Blues, System 7, Blue Pearl and others for $5-9. To those in the know, Questions: 1) I picked up UFOrb and I was reading the liner which said the Orb was the good Dr and Thrash. However, Thrash isn't credited for writing any of the songs. I looked back at adventures.. and he isn't credited for writing any of the songs there either. Is his role soley in mixing and production? 2) System 7. I picked that up yesterday (btw, did I get the import version? The CD is not called 777). The various collaborations ranging from soulful sounding music to, for lack of a better term, orb-ish sounding music were generally very good. The reason why I don't want to call it orbish is that it seems like it basically is the orb. All of the names listed have done work on the two orb albums I have. They seem to be a big conglemerate with patterson as the main man. Is this an accurate statement? On a side note, the song habibi samples an arabic lady singing. I love hearing middle eastern music (i'm lebanese) mixed into western music. I especially like arabic female vocals mixed in (I find arabic female vocals to be the most beatiful). Does the orb have any other songs were they do this? Come to think of it, I think there is one on there new album. Do you know of any other groups who use middle eastern influences in their music? So far, I have found that jah wobble,ofra,amina, and single gun theory all do it. 3) Fortran 5. I haven't been thrilled about this one. However, I am going to give it a few more listens. Who is Fortran 5? I noticed that most of the songs are mixed by thrash. Did he write them as well? 4) Blue Pearl. I picked up their self titled album ($5!). I thought it was pretty good. Has the singer (McBroom) done anything else since that? She has a wonderful voice (The pictuere of her on the back is very cool). Does anyone else have any recommendations on any of their newer work? 5) Does J. Cauty use the name Space for his album Space (i.e if I go to Tower to try to find the cd do I look under C or S). If someone has some time, could you put together a list of the work that has been done by the Orb team. Sorry for writing so much. thanks ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:44:51 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Adventures... >> What is the difference between the 2-cd import and the US version? > >The US version deletes "Back Side Of The Moon" (14:15) and "Spanish >Castles In Space" (15:06), edits "Star 6 & 7 8 9" from 8:10 to 4:23, >and remixes "Perpetual Dawn" down from 9:30 to 3:48. All told, the >UK version is almost 40 minutes longer . . . and much, much better. > >-- >Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) I picked up the Perpetual dawn CD5 and the Peel Sessions. Is the remix of Perpetual Dawn you are speaking of one of the ones on the CD5? Also, there is a mix of Star 6&7 8 9; Is that the same? Is the Back Side of the Moon song the same as the one on the Peel Sessions (I think that is what is on the peel sessions. I just got it last night and the name looke familiar). Finally, Is there anywhere else I can get Spanish Castles In Space? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 15:30:38 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Questions >1) I picked up UFOrb and I was reading the liner which said the Orb was the >good Dr and Thrash. However, Thrash isn't credited for writing any of the >songs. I looked back at adventures.. and he isn't credited for writing any of >the songs there either. Actually I think he's credited for co-writing almost all of the Orb tracks. Paterson (the Dr) / Weston (the Thrash).... >2) System 7. >albums I have. They seem to be a big conglemerate with patterson as the main >man. Is this an accurate statement? The main man is Steve Hillage (ancient guitar god (has released an excellent ambient solo album (Rainbow Dome Musick))). > On a side note, the song habibi samples an arabic lady singing. I love >hearing middle eastern music (i'm lebanese) mixed into western music. I >especially like arabic female vocals mixed in (I find arabic female vocals to >be the most beatiful). Does the orb have any other songs were they do this? I think "Peace In The Middle East" also has some arabic singing, but I can't quite remember... >5) Does J. Cauty use the name Space for his album Space Yes. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:35:33 -0600 From: Pete Hartman Subject: replies and Doctorin' From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 7:45:13 EST >The tracks on the promo are: Blue Room (radio edit) > Blue Room (remix) <--new mix by Frank DeWulf > Assassin (Oasis of Rhythms mix) > Blue Room (full length) <--40 minute version > >The Blue Room 2cd set contains the radio edit, full length, an extract >from the full length, and Towers of Dub (Mad Professor remix). The >Assassin 2cd set contains the Oasis of Rhythms mix, Another Live Version, >Chocolate Hills of Bohol mix, a radio edit, and U.F.Orb (Bandulu remix) It is not the same radio edit. The UK single says something about radio 7, and is not the same length as the US promo version. I don't have that time offhand, because I didn't figure one DeWulf mix was worth $15.00. (no sales around *here*). Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:44:51 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Adventures... >>The US version deletes "Back Side Of The Moon" (14:15) and "Spanish >>Castles In Space" (15:06), edits "Star 6 & 7 8 9" from 8:10 to 4:23, >>and remixes "Perpetual Dawn" down from 9:30 to 3:48. All told, the >>UK version is almost 40 minutes longer . . . and much, much better. > >I picked up the Perpetual dawn CD5 and the Peel Sessions. Is the remix of >Perpetual Dawn you are speaking of one of the ones on the CD5? No. > Also, there is a >mix of Star 6&7 8 9; Is that the same? No, the original album version is almost twice as long. > Is the Back Side of the Moon song the >same as the one on the Peel Sessions (I think that is what is on the peel >sessions. I just got it last night and the name looke familiar). Finally, Is >there anywhere else I can get Spanish Castles In Space? There are versions of Back Side of the Moon on the Aubrey Mixes and Peel Sessions disks, and two versions of Spanish Castles in Space on the Aubrey Mixes. None of them are the original Adventures versions. On the Aubrey Mixes, the versions of Little Fluffy Clouds and Outlands are both available on the Little Fluffy Clouds single, but other than that, I don't think any of the other Aubrey mixes are available elsewhere that is easy to find. If you don't have it, get it. I would still agree with many that the original double version of Adventures... is better, and definitely worth the money. I don't know about the edited version of Star 6&7 8 9, but the edited/remixed version of LFC is on the US single, so if you actually like that thing you can still get it cheaply, and dump the US version of Adventures... (or just wait for that rumored world-wide re-release of the original version). In other things, my SO really likes Doctorin' in the TARDIS and was wondering if there were any good stories behind the KLF making that track.... ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: The Black Room Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 4:15:56 EDT *I* know it doesn't exist, *you* know it doesn't exist, the music shop owner knew it didn't exist, but I ordered it anyway today. Going through many catalogues, every Japanese music catalogue we could find had The Black Room listed. Even the world CD encylopeadia (or soomthing 'official' like that had The Black Room listed as being available; but only in Japan. I'll see what exactly happens, but for now, I'll give you the code, as listed in the books: JAMS - The Black Room (TOCP - 7185) (I checked this against Mu, revised Mu, White Room, and Underground Collection), they're all different codes!) _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ / klf@nyx.cs.du.edu |\|_| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: KLF "OTHER DATA" Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 4:23:48 EDT Hi all, I'm trying to compile a list of all the 'other data' category, which is printed on the Side A label of most KLF 12"s. When I've got as many as possible, I'll whizz it off to Lazlo, who can put it in the archives. Please EMAIL any additions not on the list below! Your support is needed! Doctorin' the TARDIS (KLF 003T) Probably the most nauseating record in the world What Time is Love? (KLF 004X) The Gate is Open 3 AM Eternal (KLF 005X) The K. The L. The F. & The ology 3 AM Eternal (KLF 005R) *From the LP/JAMS LP5 Live at Trancentral +Mixed by the Moody Boys 3 AM Eternal (KLF 005T) Welcome to the Trance Last Train (KLF 008X) Over and Out Justified & Ancient (CHOCICE1) 25 . 11. 91 America: WTIL? (KLF USA 4X) "We came a long time ago" Mario Moeller / / klf@nyx.cs.du.edu ---------- From: jeffy@Athena.MIT.EDU Subject: Readin' Writin' Wheezin' Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:24:52 EST "Any good stories about 'Doctorin' The Tardis?'" - Yes, there's actually a book called _The Manual (How To Have a Number One Single The Easy Way)_ (sic?). It's a hilarious account of the trials and tribulations Jimmy and Bill go through to get DTT to #1; you're also supposed to "follow along" and make a hit of your own (Eurometatrash band Edelweiss did exactly this with their #1 "Bring Me Edelweiss"). If you can find it, buy it. I may or may not transribe chapters at a later date, breaking all copyright laws, the Berne convention, etc, etc. I was just thrown a book to read yesterday called "Tuva or Bust!" written by Ralph Leighton, good pal of the Incredibly Amazing physicist Richard Feynman. Ralph and Rich embark on a ten-year mission to go to a backwater Mongolian country named "Tuva" simply because the name of the capital city, "Kyzyl" intrigued them. To make a long story short, the warped double-voice singing you hear on Chill Out is actually ho:o:mei, and originates in Tuva. I'm not sure where the KLF got their sample from, but there is a flexi- disc with the book (haven't heard it yet), and a New York group of h:o:omei singers called the Harmonic Choir have produced a number of CDs, records and tapes (and also appeared on the sound track to Dead Poets Society). I'm also reading right this very minute that their are harmonic choirs in England, France, and Germany... but I'm inclined to believe that the KLF sample is Tuvian in origin.... Anyone? Anyone? jeffy@athena.mit.edu|||X Magazine: Obscurity is our bidness ---------- Subject: Adventures... From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:35:54 PST hani akhras asks: >I picked up the Perpetual dawn CD5 and the Peel Sessions. Is the >remix of Perpetual Dawn you are speaking of one of the ones on the >CD5? on the US disc, you've got "perpetual dawn (solar youth mix)" on the UK disc, you've got a completely instrumental version that is unavailable anywhere else. >Also, there is a mix of Star 6&7 8 9; Is that the same? on the US disc, you've got "star 6 & 7 8 9 (phase ii)" on the UK disc, you've got the original version which is unavailable anywhere else. >Is the Back Side of the Moon song the same as the one on the Peel >Sessions (I think that is what is on the peel sessions. I just got it >last night and the name looke familiar). Finally, Is there anywhere >else I can get Spanish Castles In Space? no, the version of "BSotM" and "SCiS" on the UK Ultraworld are unique. the versions of BSotM on the Peel Sessions and Aubrey Mixes are *similar* but not identical. SCiS is a totally different animal on the Aubrey Mixes disc - it's like a whole new song, basically. the verdict: if you can get the UK double CD of Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld, DO IT!! Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The first cut won't hurt at all. The second only makes you wonder. ---------- Subject: ambient house From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 10:38:17 PST so, a question/proposal for all you good people: is anyone out there doing their own orb/klf-style ambient chill out music? i've done a complete 45 minute work in the genre that i hope to have out on CD some day, and i also did a 20 minute improv with my housemate that came out sounding uncannily like uforb-era orb (probably because i had been od'ing on blue room at that point). so, if you're a musician with leanings in this direction, i think it would be fun if we put together a tape of stuff for the list. it's been done before on other lists i subscribe to with great results. i would be happy to organize and compile the tape, if there are enough people out there who would contribute. so talk to me... Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live faust, die jung, leave it to Beaver. ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:22:25 -0800 Subject: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Ok, so I'm listening to UFOrb for the first time (this is a couple weeks ago, mind you), and Towers of Dub comes on. Now, I already knew the song from the Blue Room set. I had heard about the "I'm Marcus Garvey and I'm looking for Haile Selassie" prank-call intro, so that was no surprise. Then, I hear a familar voice. "Hello, I'm Rags. Woof Woof," it said, and then repeated itself several times. Now, I knew this voice from the 1973 Woody Allen film Sleeper. The voice is that of the robot dog given to Allen's character as a companion. Anyway, this is the first time the Orb has given a hint (as far as I can tell) as to where they got their name (i. e. The Orb) from. You see, there is a scene in Sleeper where Allen, disguised as a robot butler at a party, passes around a prop that makes people, for lack of a better term, stoned when they touch it. Allen, of course gets very high from being the one doing the passing. Anyway, not long after I first heard the Orb, I deci- ded that this scene is probably where they got their name from, and I believe the "Rags" sample confirms it. Any comments? C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:29:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Comments & Questions Hani W Akhras writes: >1) I picked up UFOrb and I was reading the liner which said the Orb was the >good Dr and Thrash. However, Thrash isn't credited for writing any of the >songs. I looked back at adventures.. and he isn't credited for writing any of >the songs there either. Is his role soley in mixing and production? As somebody already mentioned, Thrash is credited as "Weston." > On a side note, the song habibi samples an arabic lady singing. I love >hearing middle eastern music (i'm lebanese) mixed into western music. I >especially like arabic female vocals mixed in (I find arabic female vocals to >be the most beatiful). Does the orb have any other songs were they do this? >Come to think of it, I think there is one on there new album. Do you know of >any other groups who use middle eastern influences in their music? So far, I >have found that jah wobble,ofra,amina, and single gun theory all do it. Check out 'My Life in the Bush of Ghosts,' by Brian Eno and David Byrne. Lots of middle-eastern women samples on it. Good album, and it's a midpricer. >5) Does J. Cauty use the name Space for his album Space (i.e if I go to Tower >to try to find the cd do I look under C or S). When I've seen it (which was only once, at Tower Sunset, and I've been kicking myself for not buying it ever since), it's been filed under KLF. >If someone has some time, could you put together a list of the work that has >been done by the Orb team. Lazlo's discography is pretty complete in this respect. C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- From: ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 13:38:55 PST cspot@CATS.UCSC.EDU wrote: |Ok, so I'm listening to UFOrb for the first time (this is a couple weeks |ago, mind you), and Towers of Dub comes on. Now, I already knew the song |from the Blue Room set. I had heard about the "I'm Marcus Garvey and I'm |looking for Haile Selassie" prank-call intro, so that was no surprise. Prank call? Am I missing something? Who are Marcus Garvey and Haile Selassie? Cliff Tuel __o o__ HP/Apollo System Admin \( v )/ YELLO & ART OF NOISE mailing lists: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo /___\ Yello-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu ^ ^ AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ---------- Date: 13 Nov 1992 17:04:23 -0600 (CST) From: ORPHEUS Subject: COmments and Quetions (second try) From: IN%"postmaster@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu" "PMDF Mail Server" 13-NOV-1992 15:56:55.83 To: IN%"DICKENJD@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu" CC: Subj: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure Return-path: Received: from ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF #3172 ) id <01GR3X55NUV48WXQXD@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:56:30 CST Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:56:30 -0600 (CST) From: PMDF Mail Server Subject: Undeliverable mail: SMTP delivery failure To: DICKENJD@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Message-id: <01GR3X55NUV68WXQXD@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary (ID dYtn1yJaet1ndzF6labutw)" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --Boundary (ID dYtn1yJaet1ndzF6labutw) The message could not be delivered to: Addressee: klf@asylum.{f.ca.us Reason: Illegal host/domain name found. --Boundary (ID dYtn1yJaet1ndzF6labutw) Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Received: from ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF #3172 ) id <01GR3X090TBQ8WXRFL@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu>; Fri, 13 Nov 1992 15:56:02 CST Date: 13 Nov 1992 15:56:02 -0600 (CST) From: ORPHEUS Subject: Re: Comments & Questions To: hwa@FASSM.JHUAPL.EDU Cc: klf@asylum.{f.ca.us Message-id: <01GR3X090TBS8WXRFL@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"hwa@FASSM.JHUAPL.EDU" X-VMS-Cc: IN%"klf@asylum.{f.ca.us" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RE: You question #1: Yes, Thrash _IS_ given writing credit: under his name, Kris Weston. dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu| (Orpheus / J. David Dickens) -------------------------------------------------------------- | Sound/Word/Image/Thought | Do What Thou Wilt Shall be The | | Creator and Engineer | Whole of The Law | -------------------------------------------------------------- --Boundary (ID dYtn1yJaet1ndzF6labutw)-- ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 11:09:38 EST > The Blue Room 2cd set contains the radio edit, full length, an extract > from the full length, and Towers of Dub (Mad Professor remix). The > Assassin 2cd set contains the Oasis of Rhythms mix, Another Live Version, > Chocolate Hills of Bohol mix, a radio edit, and U.F.Orb (Bandulu remix) Thanks mike! Looks like the Assassin CDs are essential eh? The extra disc would not be enough... Does anyone know if there are plans for some more Orb music soon? Paul ---------- From: The Dominator Subject: Re: Who Said That? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 16:47:22 WET > > I've been wondering if anybody ID's any of these Orb Samples? > > "The Music Just Turns Me On" > "Your the best boy friend a girl ever had" I thought this one was : "You're the best boy friend a girlfriend could have" > "Your a DJ, whats That... ha ha ha ha" > "THings are just Popping up all over. The camera pans into the > audience and were on T.V. were actually on TCV ..." > > I know about the Lavar Burten/Rickie Lee Jones in Little Fluffy Clouds > but if anybody can id any of these samples or any other. it would > make my day. > > > r0b > Can you tell me which tracks they all come from? There is also another quote which sounds like : "It's like a mini.... a mini-mixed thing..." from Little Fluffy Clouds. Dominator -- ******************************************************************************* * -----. ------- -----. | Dominic Robinson aka McClane the Dominator * * / / | | | | JANET : u0f98@uk.ac.keele.seq1 * * / / | |----' |-----------------------------------------------* * ------' * | * | \ * | "Oh Todd I love you so much. * * | | \ | I want you to be my first time!" * * --------------' | \ | - Cody Willis, "Neighbours", 1991. * ******************************************************************************* ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: US vs UK "Adventures..." Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 18:03:30 MST > on the US disc, you've got "perpetual dawn (solar youth mix)" > on the US disc, you've got "star 6 & 7 8 9 (phase ii)" Are you sure? The track times on the US CD (which I don't own, or I'd check myself) don't seem to match up with the times for the tracks you mention (which I do own). -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Who Said That? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 12:40:30 EST > > > > "The Music Just Turns Me On" > > "Your the best boy friend a girl ever had" > > I thought this one was : > "You're the best boy friend a girlfriend could have" you're the best boyfriend a girl could possibly have... i think... Paul Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: replies to replies Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:16:11 EST > From: Pete Hartman > > >>The US version deletes "Back Side Of The Moon" (14:15) and "Spanish > >>Castles In Space" (15:06), edits "Star 6 & 7 8 9" from 8:10 to 4:23, > >>and remixes "Perpetual Dawn" down from 9:30 to 3:48. All told, the > >>UK version is almost 40 minutes longer . . . and much, much better. > > > >I picked up the Perpetual dawn CD5 and the Peel Sessions. Is the remix of > >Perpetual Dawn you are speaking of one of the ones on the CD5? > > No. > > > Also, there is a > >mix of Star 6&7 8 9; Is that the same? > > No, the original album version is almost twice as long. I think he was asking if the *remix* of PD and the *remix* of Star 6&789 that are on the US version of Adventures are the same as the remixes on the Perpetual Dawn CD5. They are. However I would still recommend getting the PD CD5 because it has the Ultrabass mixes which are superior to the pop-schlock of the other mix. The original versions of Perpetual Dawn and Star 6&789, both available only on the import (UK) Adventures album, are INFINITELY better than any of the mixes available in the US. IMHO. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:33:37 EST Cliff Tuel inquired: > cspot@CATS.UCSC.EDU wrote: > |Ok, so I'm listening to UFOrb for the first time (this is a couple weeks > |ago, mind you), and Towers of Dub comes on. Now, I already knew the song > |from the Blue Room set. I had heard about the "I'm Marcus Garvey and I'm > |looking for Haile Selassie" prank-call intro, so that was no surprise. > > Prank call? Am I missing something? Who are Marcus Garvey and > Haile Selassie? Haile Selassie is a famous Jamaican, though I can't say I know what he's famous for, as for some reason here in the US the only famous Jamaican we seem to care about is Bob Marley. Marcus Garvey is the comedian making the call; that is apparently the meat of his material, making prank calls. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Who Said That? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 21:39:04 EST The Dominator asked: > > Can you tell me which tracks they all come from? This is from memory; someone correct me if I'm wrong... > > "The Music Just Turns Me On" A huge ever growing blah blah blah - the mix on the Peel Sessions I've heard this sample in a bizillion other songs too. > > "Your the best boy friend a girl ever had" a.k.a. > "You're the best boy friend a girlfriend could have" a.k.a. > "He's the best boyfriend a girl could possibly have" Outlands. (not the remix) > > "Your a DJ, whats That... ha ha ha ha" A huge ever growing blah blah blah - Peel Sessions also it's in the live mix of Assassin, I think. > > "THings are just Popping up all over. The camera pans into the > > audience and were on T.V. were actually on TCV ..." Majestic. Mike Brown mjbrown@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu "The Universe is a spheroid region 705 meters in diameter." ---------- From: Matthew Hillman Date: Fri, 29 Nov 92 19:34:49 PST Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Whoa... Marcus Garvey is NOT a comedian specializing in prank calls (or if we was, it's not what he was famous for :-). From the handy-dandy MS Bookshelf... --- Garvey, Marcus, 1887-1940, American proponent of black nationalism; b. Jamaica. In 1914 he founded the Universal Negro Improvement Association to foster worldwide unity among blacks and establish the greatness of the African heritage. Rejecting any notion of integration in countries where blacks were a minority, he urged a "back to Africa" movement. Garvey's brilliant oratory and his newspaper, Negro World, made him the most influential black leader of the early 1920s, but his influence declined after his misuse of funds intended to establish a Negro steamship company resulted in a mail fraud conviction. He was jailed (1925) and deported to Jamaica (1927), dying in relative obscurity. --- Haile Selassie founded Rastafarianism... which had a heavy influence on reggae and dub... and then there was the Orb. So, who IS the crank caller? Matt Hillman matth@microsoft.com ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 0:00:46 EST > > Whoa... > > Marcus Garvey is NOT a comedian specializing in prank calls (or if we > was, it's not what he was famous for :-). From the handy-dandy MS Bookshelf. ... whoops! I meant Victor Lewis-Smith, not Marcus Garvey. (removing foot from mouth). Victor is the one making the call, he's the comedian, not Marcus Garvey! ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 0:05:23 EST Thanks ... I had meant to say the Victor Lewis-Smith was the comedian, and that Garvey and Selassie were the Jamaicans. Obviously that is wrong, too, as Selassie was Ethiopian. Sigh. And I've got dreads, too! (sort of) I had asked on soc.culture.caribbean about the origins of dreadlocks and Rasta, and it touched off a good discussion and I got a few references to dig up. But I never got any answers. Now I know. Thanks!! At least I didn't broadcast that to alt.rave...that would REALLY be sticking my foot in my mouth! net.gods make mistakks to. Mike ---------- Date: 13 Nov 1992 23:24:45 -0600 (CST) From: Baphomet 93 Subject: Intro to Towers of Dub... > So, who IS the crank caller? Well, since the u.f.orb liner notes say "intro to 'towers of dub' by victor lewis-smith", I would reckon that it might be Victor Lewis-Smith, whoever *THAT* is! Perhaps a famous British comedian who specializes in prank calls? ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "...the music was fantastic..." | | moorewd@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | `------------------------------' `-----------------' ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Marcus Garvey vs Haile Selassie Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 23:13:59 MST It's hard to explain all the details of it, and I know I'd miss something important if I tried, so I won't. But it's roughly the prank-call equivalent of leaving a message "for Jesus Christ from the Apostle Paul" with someone who's never heard of Christianity. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: Who Said That? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 1:39:31 EST r0b scribbles: > I've been wondering if anybody ID's any of these Orb Samples? > > "The Music Just Turns Me On" I've heard this in a thousand other songs, too, but where it's from escapes me... > "Your the best boy friend a girl ever had" OK, the actual quote is: "You're the best boyfriend a girl could ever have..." It sounds rather David Lynchian to me, but Drukman told me eons ago that he thought not, so..... > "Your a DJ, whats That... ha ha ha ha" I'm dying to know the origin of this one.... > "THings are just Popping up all over. The camera pans into the > audience and were on T.V. were actually on TCV ..." This one is Vanna White, from a song (or a bit of a song) called "A different Tool", Sampled from a CD by the TapeBeatles. Supposedly, "Majestic" is littered with samples from this CD, But until I actually get a copy, I can't verify this... -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com "How Can the Music Play When The Only Band Is Made Of Gold?" -Tori Amos ---------- From: girard@hyperion.informix.com (Girard Chandler) Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 19:06:46 PST > > Prank call? Am I missing something? Who are Marcus Garvey and > > Haile Selassie? > > Haile Selassie is a famous Jamaican, though I can't say I know what he's > famous for, as for some reason here in the US the only famous Jamaican > we seem to care about is Bob Marley. Marcus Garvey is the comedian making > the call; that is apparently the meat of his material, making prank calls. At the risk of further offending any Rastafarians who maybe reading this - and with the assumption that the previous 2 posts weren't facetious: The impressions I've gotten are that Haile Selassie was ruler (king?) of Ethiopia up to the mid 60's. Rastafarianism is a religion which I believe is Islam based but reveres Haile as the son of god (? - or maybe as a Mohammed clone.) Marcus Garvey was a Jamaican, Rasta prophet/civil rights leader in the 50's (?) who's the subject of countless reggae songs. I've never quite figured it out, but it definitely inspires a lot of good music. -Girard Chandler ---------- From: Roy Badami Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 16:37:32 GMT Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? >>>>> On Fri, 13 Nov 92 12:22:25 -0800, cspot@CATS.UCSC.EDU said: cspot> Ok, so I'm listening to UFOrb for the first time (this is a couple weeks cspot> ago, mind you), and Towers of Dub comes on. Now, I already knew the song cspot> from the Blue Room set. I had heard about the "I'm Marcus Garvey and I'm cspot> looking for Haile Selassie" prank-call intro, so that was no surprise. cspot> Then, I hear a familar voice. "Hello, I'm Rags. Woof Woof," it said, and cspot> then repeated itself several times. Now, I knew this voice from the 1973 cspot> Woody Allen film Sleeper. The voice is that of the robot dog given to cspot> Allen's character as a companion. cspot> Anyway, this is the first time the Orb has given a hint (as far as I can cspot> tell) as to where they got their name (i. e. The Orb) from. You see, there cspot> is a scene in Sleeper where Allen, disguised as a robot butler at a party, cspot> passes around a prop that makes people, for lack of a better term, stoned cspot> when they touch it. Allen, of course gets very high from being the one cspot> doing the passing. Anyway, not long after I first heard the Orb, I deci- cspot> ded that this scene is probably where they got their name from, and I cspot> believe the "Rags" sample confirms it. cspot> Any comments? Yeah, I'd always assumed it was a Sleeper reference. Somehow the slogan `Remember: An orb is for life, not just for Christmas' has the right feel to it, though don't ask me why... (it doesn't occur in Sleeper, does it?) [Incidentally, this comes from a slogan that is used in public service announcements in the UK before Christmas, to discourage people from giving unwanted pets as gifts. (Substitute `dog' for `orb'.) Is this slogan used elsewhere?] -roy -- Roy Badami, Harlequin Ltd, Barrington Hall, Barrington, Cambridge, U.K. Internet: roy@harlqn.co.uk UUCP: ..!mcsun!uknet!harlqn!roy When we reach that point, whatever happenned _will_ happen again... ---------- Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1992 13:15:41 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Ambient FAQ For the person who compiles the ambient faq... Forgot probably one of the best ambient songs the sun rising by the beloved... alexees...ilisia city. ps sorry fo no orb/klf content. ---------- From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk Subject: Re: Orb/Sleeper Connection? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 16:21:06 GMT Matthew Hillman wrote: > So, who IS the crank caller? It is, as has been suggested, Victor Lewis-Smith. Here's excerpts from messages I'd written to a few people which should shed some light on this... -- Article: 16546 of rec.music.misc Newsgroups: rec.music.misc Path: bradford.ac.uk!A.L.Radtke From: A.L.Radtke@bradford.ac.uk (Drew Radtke) Subject: Re: Orb samples Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1992 11:52:21 GMT Changing the thread, but not the subject, I'm surprised noone has mentioned the Victor Lewis-Smith sample on UFOrb; he's the guy who rings up London Weekend TV and confuses the security office. This clip's been on quite a few times on the VLS radio show, but this and other similar stuff can be got on the LP by VLS called 'Tested on Humans for Irritancy' which is on Virgin here in the UK. Or has someone already said this? -- Subject: Re: Orb samples To: dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 21:50:53 BST dmarsh@cs.strath.ac.uk wrote: > Who is Victor Lewis-Smith? > > What is the radio show you mention? Difficult to answer in a few sentences; he's a reputation for being a bit of a prankster, but, unlike Jeremy Beadle, his targets are media people, such as researchers for That's Life and well, security at LWT. His radio show, 'Victor Lewis-Smith', won a comedy award as the best radio comedy show for, um, 1990 I think, and it was on Radio 1. Don't tell me you've not heard of that! Obviously it's not on at the moment, but it may come back... -- Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: KLF "Trance"??? Date: Sat, 14 Nov 92 22:28:04 EST I was recently informed of a KLF release on Play it Again Sam US called "Trance." Can anybody tell me the validity of this, and if yes, what is it all about??? Thank you muchly.... -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 14:12:27 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: All the way down the east coast A friend of mine will soon get a tape of some unreleased music from the "Chill Out" session. There are two tracks, one is called "Brooklyn, NY" and the other simply "Alex". Also, if anyone's interested in a bootleg of the "Madrugada Eterna" 12", he's got a lot of copies. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 16:13:28 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: PROMO Blue Room Cd I was at a record store yersterday and picked up the Orb blue room promo cd. For whatever reason, I thought the assassins mix would be different from the one on the bonus cd in UFOrb. When I got home, it turned out to have the same exact songs as the bonus cd. So, if anyone is interested in it for collectors reasons or just can't get a hold of UFOrb with bonus cd, send me mail and make me an offer. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Administrivia (Week 1) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 15:28:44 MST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: asylum.sf.ca.us, pub/klf :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WEEK 001 (05 Nov 92-14 Nov 92): 135 Messages (pub/klf/Archives/klflist-9211-1) We now have 83 subscribers and growing. Now that things seem firmly established, I plan to advertise the group in rec.music.info. You guys are doing great so far -- keep it up! As I mentioned above, the ongoing proceedings of the list are being archived in the pub/klf/Archives directory on a week-by-week basis . . . the first week is a little long, because the list actually started running on a Thursday. I will be editing down the archives files a little bit, but only to eliminate the unnecessary headers in the messages. I'm still working on the FAQ list and will make a preliminary version available in a few days. In the meantime, please continue to send me suggestions directly at lazlo@triton.unm.edu. -- __^__ Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Maintainer of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Date: 15 Nov 1992 17:14:07 -0600 (CST) From: BAPHOMET 93 Subject: Orb for Xmas... Welp, this may or may not be "helpful" information, but I saw a FAX recently which listed a new Orb single out soon for Christmas. I can't remember the exact title, but it did have "Silver" in the name and is a cover tune of "a Hawkwind classic". The FAX also said that Hawkwind may even help the Orb out on this one. More details as they are made available... ,-----------------------. ,--------------------------------. | Baphomet 93 * Don Moore `----. | "...the music was fantastic..." | | moorewd@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | `--------------. tel 615.370.0806 | `------------------------------' `-----------------' *** SE-Raves: E-mail DICKENJD@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu to subscribe! *** ---------- From: gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu (David D. Clark) Subject: New Orb Single: Silver Machine Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:27:59 EST The new single would probably be 'Silver Machine', which was originally sung by Lemmy of Motorhead, who was lead singer and bassist for Hawkwind. Orb has apparently 'announced their intention to record a cover of this prehistoric metal torch-song.', and if there's been an announcement for the single coming out near christmas, they're probably carrying through with it. This info I found in the November 1992 Select magazine (a British equivalent of the US's Spin, it seems), which has a multi-page article on the history of the Orb and its relation to Killing Joke and The KLF, which I'll type in sometime this week and post to this list and rec.music.industrial and alt.rave, probably. On another note, does anyone have the lyrics to Me Ru Con from 1987, that the band mentions were transcribed/translated on one of the singles in its commentary on _1987: The 45 Edits_? Could they post them to the list if so? I'd really appreciate it, I've been wondering for a while what the song means. -Dave Clark gt0269b@prism.gatech.edu ---------- From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: New "1987" Bootleg found! Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:40:57 EST At a record show today, I picked up a new Bootleg Copy of "1987". Thought y'all might like to know the vitals... (Actually, just you, Lazlo) KLF presents the JAMS- 1987 With Bonus CD Tracks KLFCD 007 Made in EEC Track List: TRACK 1: 1. Hey hey we are not the monkees(100 BPM) 2. Don't take five (take what you want)(89 BPM) 3. Rockman rock Parts 2 & 3 (105 BPM) TRACK 2: 4. Me Ru Con (0 BPM) 5. The Queen and I (99 BPM) 6. All you need is love (106 BPM) 7. Next (100 BPM) Track 3: (These Titles Only On CD) 8. Ivum Naya (IBO Version) 9. Rap, Rhyme, and Scratch Yourself 10. Burn the Bastards 11. Burn the Beat 12. Prestwich Prophets Grin 13. The Porpise Song Verdict: If the Original Bootleg CD sounded good, this one sounds *INCREDIBLE*!!! No pops or clicks from vinyl, except during Me Ru Con, which I'm pretty sure was stolen from vinyl by Bill and Jim anyway. Probably the source of this was a tape or even the original source tapes, judging by how clean it sounds. The Cd is recorded quite a bit louder than the old bootleg CD. And The Tracks are in the original order again! As far as the last 6 tracks, they are live, and sound like a thrash metal band, not like the KLF. It wouldn't suprise me to find out it isn't really them. I'll have to listen closer. At one point, the singer refers to himself as "Bobby", so this might be a clue. Well worth the 20 I paid for it. Highly recommended if you can find it. -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com "How Can the Music Play When The Only Band Is Made Of Gold?" -Tori Amos ---------- From: fuzzbox@world.std.com (U.F.Orb) Subject: Another sample identified. Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 21:46:42 EST Somebody just asked, in the new issue of TV guide, where the haunting music in the new AT&T commercials, which go "I'm calling You...", came from. Those of us who listened carefully knew that System 7 used a sample of that for "Sunburst". (The version that was on the UK copy), but I could never identify the original. Anyway, it's on the soundtrack to "Bagdad Cafe". The first song is called "Calling You". I'll be picking up a copy of the CD tommorow. If anyone is interested in founding out more, let me know... -- Jason Bilsky fuzzbox@world.std.com "How Can the Music Play When The Only Band Is Made Of Gold?" -Tori Amos ---------- Subject: Re: All the way down the east coast Date: Sun, 15 Nov 92 23:01:40 -0500 From: dlkung@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU Re: A friend of mine will soon get a tape of some unreleased music from the "Chill Out" session. There are two tracks, one is called "Brooklyn, NY" and the other simply "Alex". Also, if anyone's interested in a bootleg of the "Madrugada Eterna" 12", he's got a lot of copies. Yes!! I'm interested in getting copies of this as well!! In other news, a great ambient house track in the same vein as some of Chill Out is an interesting cover of New Order's Blue Monday by a band called The Times. It has a nice reggae beat to it and features obligatory religious samples. Great Stuff! -dave ---------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1992 23:24:31 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Re: Another sample identified. Incredible song... And the movie was quite funny as well... George Michael had taken this and sung on his tours, very nice indeed... Of course, the original is better... aLex...gathering dust at the bagdad cafe... ---------- From: Lee Sanders Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:21:17 GMT Subject: Please Define ... jeffy@Athena.MIT.EDU Thu Nov 12 22:17:13 1992 Wrote : >To any UK schlub: ... So what's a "schlub", I've never come across this one. Should I be Offended ? Lee. lee@muppet.bt.co.uk ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:34:57 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: the white room. more like it? i keep hearing people describe the white room (album) as rereremixed stuff. so my question is: i really love the white room (song). is there more klf like this out there? in a similar vein, i'm also getting to love make it rain. also the last 30 sec of church of the klf (why does it end just as it's getting good?). anyone want to summarize what other klf/related things sound like? what, for example, is it's grim up north like, and how hard is it to find? thanks, mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Subject: Calling You From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 11:43:27 -0500 This sounds suspiciously like the song "Calling You" by Holly Cole Trio. Is it a piano/bass/vocals jazz number? _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 14:08:07 -0500 From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: Re: Calling You At least it doesn't sound like "Calling You" by Stryper... Just a thought.... (PS: No, I haven't heard the song....I was just making a joke....) ---------- From: Aaro J Koskinen Subject: U.F.Orb limited edition Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 01:51:20 +0200 (EET) Hello, I saw limited edition U.F.Orb double LP today. It was packed in black plastic, and there was a sticker which stated "limited edition - includes two art prints" (or something like that). Is this worth getting (it was priced as normal LP)? -- Aaro Koskinen, akoskine@kruuna.helsinki.fi ---------- Date: 16 Nov 1992 18:42:31 -0600 (CST) From: ORPHEUS Subject: Re: U.F.Orb limited edition Welp, the black vinyl-enclosed U.F.Orb is limited enough . . . The one you _REALLY_ want to get is one in blue vinyl: Comes with an extra album. ******************************************************************* | Orpheus / J. David Dickens . . . dickenjd@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu | | --------------------------------------------------------------- | | FUZZY LOGIC LABORATORIES | Join the SE-Raves Mailing List | | 1509 Beechwood Ave | by sending mail with SUBSCIBE | | Nashville, TN 37212-5516 | SE-RAVES as the subject to | | Tel: (615) 298-9495 | this address. | ******************************************************************* "L-ov-E is thee Law, L-ov-E Under Will." ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 21:10:05 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: 777 I bought 777 today. The guy at the counter was an Orb fan as well and he asked me what the difference is between the US 777 and the UK System 7. I said that 777 has some mixes that System 7 doesn't. However, I don't have System 7 that is why I turn to you. How do these two albums differ? Thanks in advance, aLex o tourist.. ps Can we discuss the Grid on this list? ps Also, does anyone want to see the reviews of "Blues" and "U.F.Orb" ps by Keyboard magazine? If so, I'll sit down and type 'em down. ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:28:24 -0600 From: Pete Hartman Subject: Re: 777 >I bought 777 today. The guy at the counter was an Orb fan as well and he >asked me what the difference is between the US 777 and the UK System 7. >I said that 777 has some mixes that System 7 doesn't. However, I don't >have System 7 that is why I turn to you. How do these two albums differ? 777 has Sunburst (seahorse mix), Miracle (Orb remix), as opposed to the original versions of these, and Depth Disco and Mia that aren't on the import version. Other than the original versions, System 7 isn't any different. (note I'm comparing the vinyl 777, which I was silly enough to buy for $$ reasons--I don't know if the CD 777 has any additional stuff--to the CD of System 7.) >ps Also, does anyone want to see the reviews of "Blues" and "U.F.Orb" >ps by Keyboard magazine? If so, I'll sit down and type 'em down. I'm curious to see what they think. Dunno if the list agrees though. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: 777 Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:13:31 MST As far as I know the US vinyl and CD of 777 are identical. There are some minor discrepancies in track times between the US and UK versions of some tracks as well: the US "Bon Humeur" is about :30 shorter and the US "Strange Quotations" about :15. I haven't picked up the US version to figure out if they're unmentioned remixes or just edits for time . . . the US disc is *packed* (78m+) and they may have needed to do a little trimming. >> does anyone want to see the reviews of "Blues" and "U.F.Orb" by >> Keyboard magazine? Please do post any relevant reviews, but I'd prefer to keep the Grid discussion off the list unless it's linked somehow to Paterson, et al. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: the white room. more like it? Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 21:38:53 MST > i really love the white room (song). is there more klf like this out > there? Not really, though I guess you might consider some of the JAMS stuff similar in a strange sort of way. B&J changed styles every three or four months -- there really isn't any consistent "KLF sound". > i'm also getting to love make it rain. also the last 30 sec of church of > the klf (why does it end just as it's getting good?). The original UK version of the album had the first five songs as a little "mini-concert" with crowd noise inbetween the tracks. The US version just cut it all out, which makes some of the between-song transitions really rough. There are a couple other differences as well . . . as usual, the UK version is better. > anyone want to summarize what other klf/related things sound like? The first JAMS era progresses from thrown-together beatbox-and-sample stuff ('1987') through poppier material ("Whitney", 'Who Killed The JAMS?') all the through to house ("Burn The Bastards" and [as the Timelords] "Doctorin' The Tardis"). The 'Shag Times' and 'History of the JAMS' discs collect that era. Then they started calling themselves The KLF and began to release spacy, ambient-house music with the original "What Time Is Love?" and "3am Eternal" -- there are a few unreleased singles from this era that presumably would have been similar. They took a minor detour into the Pet Shop Boys' territory with "Kylie Said To Jason", collected some tracks that sampled "WTIL?" on 'The What Time Is Love Story', and then pulled together the almost-totally-ambient 'Chill Out' album and the original "Last Train" single (even more ambient than the "WTIL?" and "3am" originals). More unreleased singles here. Finally they entered the stage everyone knows, with the Stadium House versions of "WTIL?", "3am Eternal", and "Last Train", as released on the 'White Room' album. There's a great ambient video in there called 'Waiting' and a few post 'WR' singles (the very loud remix "America:WTIL", and the Tammy version of "Justified"). In the heart of this era, they released the haunting deep- techno "It's Grim Up North" as The JAMS. Then there's the speed-metal version of "3am Eternal" they did with Extreme Noise Terror. And then they shut the whole thing down. I have a feeling that is we could mine the vaults at KLF Communications, there's be enough unreleased material there to last well into the next century. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:28 CST Subject: 777 -> Freedom Fighters & Dog I was curious to see what the group though of the 777/System 7 album. I bought it a month ago, and was kinda disappointed by some of the tracks. The instrumental stuff is good, but the songs where people sing are pretty bad. Expecially Dog and Freedom Fighters ( *YUCK* ). Who is Aniff Cousins and why did he have to show up on the album. r0b ---------- From: ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu (the cultural elite) Subject: Re: 777 -> Freedom Fighters & Dog Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 22:47:35 MST chisholm@SEABASS.ST.USM.EDU | | I was curious to see what the group though of the |777/System 7 album. I bought it a month ago, and was kinda |disappointed by some of the tracks. The instrumental stuff |is good, but the songs where people sing are pretty bad. |Expecially Dog and Freedom Fighters ( *YUCK* ). Who is |Aniff Cousins and why did he have to show up on the album. My impressions is pretty much the same thing....I didn't care for the guitar-esque riffs in there at all..Didn't like the singing except for the raps which were ok, I thought.... The majorly disappointing thing was that a lot of my favorite artists collaborated (Orb/Oakenfold/Derrick May), so I was expecting to be blown away....Pretty disappointing when the album turns out to be fodder for a local fusion/light jazz/new age station, which has played Sunburst... Maybe the hug evergrowing pulsating brain trust was too overpowering and exploded... I said the same thing earlier on alt.rave, and someone replied with "well, remember it's over a year old and time goes by quick in dance music" or soemthing like that....But I really don't think that's the case... I mean, I can put on a Kraftwerk CD or Inner City's GoodLife or (of course) the Orb anyday and still be impressed, which I don't get from 777.... |r0b -- ahawks@nyx.cs.du.edu FutureCulture E-List: [future-request@nyx.cs.du.edu] andy (hawkeye)(dali) new edge, technoculture, cyberpunk, virtual reality, (freshjive) raves, etc. Home of the famous =) FutureCulture FAQ! ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: The White Room Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 18:08:09 EDT M> > i really love the white room (song). is there more klf like this out M> > there? M> M> Not really, though I guess you might consider some of the JAMS stuff similar M> in a strange sort of way. B&J changed styles every three or four months -- M> there really isn't any consistent "KLF sound". I must admit that I also really loved The White Room (song). I guess it's fairly similar to No More Tears and Last Train (UK LP), artist wise. M> > i'm also getting to love make it rain. also the last 30 sec of church of M> > the klf (why does it end just as it's getting good?). M> M> The original UK version of the album had the first five songs as a little M> "mini-concert" with crowd noise inbetween the tracks. The US version just M> cut it all out, which makes some of the between-song transitions really M> rough. There are a couple other differences as well . . . as usual, the M> UK version is better. I never liked the UK version of Last Train though. I thought it was pretty pittiful. True, the UK version of the LP is better as a whole, but I really give the US CD credit for the way they led Church/KLF into Last Train.... Hey, I guess the Last Train song off the US CD, the way it has the start "lie down and keep calm" phrase cut off and jumps right into the song as soon as you press [play], is very similar to the Radio Freedom Edit of "3am eternal"! (fyi the Radio Freedom Edit has the "This is radio freedom" sample cut out, and goes straight into the "KLF!... aha.." bit). Maybe it should be called LT2T (Lie down and keep calm edit) :-) (yeah! KLF 008S !) M> Then they started calling themselves The KLF and began to release spacy, m> ambient-house music with the original "What Time Is Love?" and "3am M> Eternal" -- there are a few unreleased singles from this era that M> presumably would have been similar. They took a minor detour into the Pet M> Shop Boys' territory with "Kylie Said To Jason", collected some tracks M> that sampled "WTIL?" on 'The What Time Is Love Story', and then pulled M> together the almost-totally-ambient 'Chill Out' album and the original M> "Last Train" single (even more ambient than the "WTIL?" and "3am" M> originals). More unreleased singles here. Where would "So Hard (KLF remix)" fit into the chronography? M> Finally they entered the stage everyone knows, with the Stadium House versions Here's something I might as well ask while I'm here; do you know where the phrase "Stadium House" comes from, and what the "SSL" actually is? I have never worked these out..(another one for the FAQ!) M> I have a feeling that is we could mine the vaults at KLF Communications, M> there's be enough unreleased material there to last well into the next M> century. Yeah, one can only dream....who knows; the Monster Attack Mix of J&A? The Pure Trance version of J&A (099T)?? Gary no more? Tammy no more? What Time is Love? (Kick out the JAMS edit) (KLF 004S)?? ooooh... _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ / klf@nyx.cs.du.edu |\|/| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- From: cspot@cats.UCSC.EDU Date: Mon, 16 Nov 92 23:22:49 -0800 Subject: Re: The White Room moeller@MUNDIL.CS.MU.OZ.AU (Mars) writes: >Here's something I might as well ask while I'm here; do you know >where the phrase "Stadium House" comes from, and what the "SSL" actually >is? I have never worked these out..(another one for the FAQ!) Stadium House, as far as I know, was coined by Bill & Jimi. SSL stands for Solid State Logic, I think, and is one of the (methods? devices? philosophies?) used to mix TWR, as you can see for yourself in the liner notes. I guess they just ran out of fictional locations to place their "live" performances. I'd guess that saying "live at the SSL" is equivalent to "live at the mixing desk." If anybody knows better, I take it back. C. | They have corrupted themselves, Chris.Hilker | their spot is not the spot of his children: cspot@cats.ucsc.edu | they are a perverse and crooked generation. ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:21:39 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: The White Room >Stadium House, as far as I know, was coined by Bill & Jimi. Bill made it up in 1989 when "What Time Is Love" came out. >SSL stands for Solid State Logic, I think, and is one of the (methods? >devices? philosophies?) used to mix TWR, as you can see for yourself >in the liner notes. I guess they just ran out of fictional locations >to place their "live" performances. I'd guess that saying "live at the >SSL" is equivalent to "live at the mixing desk." SSL is the kind of mixing desk they (and almost every recording artist in the world) use in the studio. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: The White Room Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 0:13:27 EST > M> Eternal" -- there are a few unreleased singles from this era that > M> presumably would have been similar. They took a minor detour into the Pet > M> Shop Boys' territory with "Kylie Said To Jason", collected some tracks > M> that sampled "WTIL?" on 'The What Time Is Love Story', and then pulled > M> together the almost-totally-ambient 'Chill Out' album and the original > M> "Last Train" single (even more ambient than the "WTIL?" and "3am" > M> originals). More unreleased singles here. > > Where would "So Hard (KLF remix)" fit into the chronography? Not to mention Policy of Truth (trancentral mix) by Depeche Mode. > What Time is Love? (Kick out the JAMS edit) (KLF 004S)?? ooooh... Yo Mario. Did you make your keyboard sticky? :) Paul Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: 777 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 23:50:01 EST > I bought 777 today. The guy at the counter was an Orb fan as well and he > asked me what the difference is between the US 777 and the UK System 7. > I said that 777 has some mixes that System 7 doesn't. However, I don't > have System 7 that is why I turn to you. How do these two albums differ? Really? I didn't know 777 had extra mixes. That's good anyhow, coz I asked someone to buy it in the US for me... I'm looking for the details of the diffs too :) Paul Morgen das SonnenSystem! _/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ For a cassette of SonnenSystem tracks, studio produced and mastered to DAT email: pet@munagin.ee.mu.oz.au, pet@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au, SonnenSystem > ps Can we discuss the Grid on this list? I wouldn't mind. > ps Also, does anyone want to see the reviews of "Blues" and "U.F.Orb" > ps by Keyboard magazine? If so, I'll sit down and type 'em down. Yes please! ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: Re: The White Room Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 0:45:15 EDT M> M> Eternal" -- there are a few unreleased singles from this era that M> M> presumably would have been similar. They took a minor detour into the Pet M> M> Shop Boys' territory with "Kylie Said To Jason", collected some tracks M> M> that sampled "WTIL?" on 'The What Time Is Love Story', and then pulled M> M> together the almost-totally-ambient 'Chill Out' album and the original M> M> "Last Train" single (even more ambient than the "WTIL?" and "3am" M> M> originals). More unreleased singles here. M> > M> > Where would "So Hard (KLF remix)" fit into the chronography? M> M> Not to mention Policy of Truth (trancentral mix) by Depeche Mode. What's that like? Is that actually any good? Any sign of The KLF sound wise? M> > What Time is Love? (Kick out the JAMS edit) (KLF 004S)?? ooooh... M> M> Yo Mario. Did you make your keyboard sticky? :) Hey, that's not funny! :-) Here's a sad moment for me; I spilt car battery acid on my KLF tshirt (accidentally!) and it was eaten away right in front of my eyes. It might as well say "KIF", cause you can't see the bottom of the 'L'. Anybody (anybody!!!!) want to patch up my miserable life and tell me where to get another one from? (In Australia or UK or wherever) _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ / klf@nyx.cs.du.edu |\|/| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- From: moeller@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Mars) Subject: Re: KLF T-Shirt Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 1:17:11 EDT M> > Here's a sad moment for me; I spilt car battery acid on my KLF tshirt M> > (accidentally!) and it was eaten away right in front of my eyes. It might M> > as well say "KIF", cause you can't see the bottom of the 'L'. M> > M> > Anybody (anybody!!!!) want to patch up my miserable life and tell M> > me where to get another one from? (In Australia or UK or wherever) M> M> Because the KLF T-Shirts are not made by KLF Communications, you can still get M> them - I think it is ACME Merchandising, who make them. I think you can only M> get the black logo on a white T-Shirt (not white on black - those could have M> been special editions anyway). M> M> Unfortunately, I do not know the address for ACME Merchandising - but if you M> ask around on the net, someone might have it. Thanks for the info....I assume that's in the UK.... although, yeah, if anybody has a number, or address or anything please help! ACME just unfortunately happens not to be a very uncommon name. I did see a black on white one once, a DJ had it at a nightclub. The one I had was black on white anyway, and was made in S.A.R. by a company called Sierra Teez. _ Join the KLF mailing list! Mario Moeller / |/| |_ / klf@nyx.cs.du.edu |\|/| klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 17 Nov 92 16:54 Subject: Re: New Orb Single: Silver Machine > On another note, does anyone have the lyrics to Me Ru Con from 1987, that > the band mentions were transcribed/translated on one of the singles in its > commentary on _1987: The 45 Edits_? Could they post them to the list if so? > I'd really appreciate it, I've been wondering for a while what the song > means. My goodness, I can't keep up with all the activity on here :) . I havem't readmost of the mails.... Anyway, I have the single, but I have this nasty feeling that it isn't back in my room, but it's back home with my parents :( . It *does* have the translation on the back though. If no-one else mails them first, I'll transcribe them. Hmm, good to see a KLF/etc list finally up and running again. One day I may even explain what happened to mine... Culf. ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 17 Nov 92 16:57 Subject: Re: New "1987" Bootleg found! > At a record show today, I picked up a new Bootleg Copy of "1987". > Thought y'all might like to know the vitals... (Actually, just you, Lazlo) Eeeek, how many variations of this are there now?? :) . I can think of the Euro LP (red sleeve), and the US CD offhand, and I think there was abother CD variant. > KLF presents the JAMS- 1987 With Bonus CD Tracks > KLFCD 007 Made in EEC Odd catalogue number... ah well. > 8. Ivum Naya (IBO Version) > 9. Rap, Rhyme, and Scratch Yourself > 10. Burn the Bastards > 11. Burn the Beat > 12. Prestwich Prophets Grin > 13. The Porpise Song These six live eh?? Hmm! Supposedly there aren't any live recordings made (officially) - especially so since they only did a very few live performances, and no major gigs in which they would play this older material! > It wouldn't suprise me to find out > it isn't really them. I'll have to listen closer. Hmm, sounds VERY suspicious to me. Culf. ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 17 Nov 92 16:58 Subject: Re: the white room. more like it? > i keep hearing people describe the white room (album) as rereremixed > stuff. Yes, it was new recordings and mixes of material originally ready(ish) for release in 1989. > so my question is: i really love the white room (song). is there more > klf like this out there? The released version is completely differnet from the original 89 version - the reggae influence was a late touch methinks. > in a similar vein, i'm also getting to love make it rain. also the last > 30 sec of church of the klf (why does it end just as it's getting good?). Hehehe, most people say the B side is the worst side. They tend to be the ones who latched onto The KLF when they started having pop hits, and haven't bothered to delve around and find out about the wide variety of other things they produced in various incarnations. Or is that regenerations?? There is a full version of Church on the original White Room, with vocals too as I recall. Hmm, my copy has mysteriously disappeared for the time being. I think Charles has it, the swine :) . > anyone want to summarize what other klf/related things sound like? what, > for example, is it's grim up north like, and how hard is it to find? Umm, "Grim" is quite easy to find. I can get a copy of the 12" really easily. CD is more trouble though. The KLF were pretty varied - there was the ambient "Chill Out" and then the pop-hit "Doctorin' The Tardis", the dance smashes of "What Time Is Love(America/Live At Trancentral)" and "3 AM Eternal" and "Last Train To Trancentral", the dodgy-pop of "Justified & Ancient", the early experimental hip-hop/scratch'n'slay of the first album "1987", the (my favourite) dancefloor/house on the second album "Who Killed The JAMs", and the trancedance/acidic/subliminal house sound of the Pure Trance series (the original "What Time Is Love"/"3 AM Eternal"/"Last Train/Go To Sleep" versions). Oh, and "Grim" is a kind of techno-stomping-rumbling-thudding thing :) . That probably covers most things for now.... Culf. ---------- From: jneil@panix.com (John Neilson) Subject: Re: Comments & Questions Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:34:27 EST > > > On a side note, the song habibi samples an arabic lady singing. I love > >hearing middle eastern music (i'm lebanese) mixed into western music. I > >especially like arabic female vocals mixed in (I find arabic female vocals to > >be the most beatiful). Does the orb have any other songs were they do this? > >Come to think of it, I think there is one on there new album. Do you know of > >any other groups who use middle eastern influences in their music? So far, I > >have found that jah wobble,ofra,amina, and single gun theory all do it. > > Check out 'My Life in the Bush of Ghosts,' by Brian Eno and David Byrne. > Lots of middle-eastern women samples on it. Good album, and it's a > midpricer. > Also check out the solo projects by Holgar Czukay of Can, especially the album "Movies" with the exquisite "Persian Love Song". This album predated My Life In The Bush Of Chosts by at least a year, and was definitely a major influence on it. ---------- Subject: Multiple Postings Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:45:33 PST From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU Is there any way to stop the multiple copies that are being sent out from the newsgroup mail daemon? I enjoy reading the posts, and like Murphy Brown said, "Posts to klf@asylum are like Dove Bars - one is great, but 2 make you want to throw up." (or something like that). _________________________________________________________________________ / / Conrad G. T. Yoder ***** conrad@cs.stanford.edu / \ Whether this is the eternal echo of a Victorian steam-driven revolution / \ or the turbo-driven kick of a distant northern rave is irrelevant. / \_________________________________________________________________________/ My views represent the Computer Science Department and Stanford University as a whole, completely and in their entirety. Stanford University is in all ways - both written and implied - morally and legally responsible for all opinions expressed above. ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 17:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: mike perkowitz Subject: Re: the white room. more like it? On xxx, 17 Nov 1992, J.R.Binks@EEE.SALFORD.AC.UK wrote: > There is a full version of Church on the original White Room, with vocals too > as I recall. Hmm, my copy has mysteriously disappeared for the time being. I > think Charles has it, the swine :) . original version? what do i have? is "original" as in "available in the UK"? i want more klf but i never see anything but the most common stuff anywhere. :( mike ----------------------------------------------------------------- t i n t i n n a b u l a t i o n Mike Perkowitz map@cs.brown.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Duplicate mails Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 15:11:39 MST A couple of people have mentioned that they're getting duplicate messages from the list now. I'm pretty sure that the ones earlier today from J.R.Binks were caused by a problem on his end, but if you get any dupes from anyone else, please forward copies of *both* duplicated messages, with headers, to me at either my private address or at klf-request and I'll try to sort everything out as quickly as possible. I'm not sure what could be causing it, though... aside from Culf's I haven't seen any dupes, and I get the list the same way everyone else does. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) young Sony worker / innocent hands build Walkman / tears run down faces -- Damon Koronakos and Brian Roberts: HI-TECH HAIKUS ---------- From: NotSoPrivateHell Subject: Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 12:44:21 GMT > > M> > M> Mars wrote: > M> > A good spot to get your KLF collection fix from is obviously Britain, > M> > home of The KLF. There exists a good mail order company there, "Adrians > M> > Records" who are a wizz on postal and phone orders (credit card is obviously > M> > the best bet). Shipping is ultra fast, Airmail, and 12"s are sent in > M> > a totally sturdy box and arrive in mint condition, although a little > M> > expensive (10 pounds minumum). > M> > M> You don't know if they've got the Space, Shag Times and Who Killed the > M> JAMs CDs (by Space, KLF and JAMs respectively) do you? > M> > M> Ta for any help... > M> > M> -- > M> Drew Radtke * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > M> > > > I'm not at all sure about this because when Bob and Jimi disbanded the KLF they deleted the back catalogue. Not sure if you would have much luck, but by all means try. Inspirarational and informational, Big Dave ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 13:53:26 PST From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) Subject: Re: Comments & Questions > Do you know of any other groups who use middle eastern influences in > their music? So far, I have found that jah wobble,ofra,amina, and single > gun theory all do it. Check out Danielle Dax. She has two albums out in the US: "Dark Adapted Eye" and "Blast the Human Flower". The first one is done in a very shrieky vocal style. The second one is done with smoother poppier vocals and has cleaner production as well. If you like stuff like Ofra Haza and Single Gun Theory, you'll probably like both of these albums (but get "Dark Adapted Eye" first). ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1992 18:03:28 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Keyboard Reviews (F5,Orb) From KEYBOARD's column "In Review" by Robert L. Doerschuk: Fortran 5, Blues (Mute, dist. by Elektra). From the opening moments - snippets of the Doors, the old "Tequila" guitar riff, and someone who sounds a lot like Buddy Rich ranting and raving - this dance collection establishes itself as a compelling and subtle work. Though their beats are solid enough to keep club crowds on their feet, the drum sounds don't dominate or overpower other elements in the arrangement. Instead, the interweave of samples, rhythm sequences, and occasional melodic vocals stands as the focal point on each of these tracks. The key to Fortran 5 is patience and space: Programme/sampler Simon Leonard and keyboardist/guitarist David Baker leave plenty of room in the mix to highlight details and take the time they need to make their statement. "Blues Pt. 1," for instance, begins as a few teeny bleeps, then very slowly builds around a rapid heartbeat pulse into a kind of anticlimax; imagine Kraftwerk doing Bolero and you'll get the picture. Even their "techno" track, "XX21," is more restrained and thoughtful than hysterical. Blues is rave for people who still prefer books to smart drugs. The Orb, u.f.orb, (Big Life, dist. by Mercury). Despite the industries addiction to accessible forms, the "concept album" concept lives on. In fact, when tackled by Alex Paterson and Thrash, who together form the Orb, such shopworn elements as snare backbeats and four-beat bass drum hits effectively mark departure and arrival points on aural journeys that psychedelic star-trippers would appreciate. "Towers of Dub," for instance, juxtaposes hobo blues harmonica and cheery dog yawps (the latter sampled from Woody Allen's Sleeper) over a relaxed and insistent Jamaican groove; as reverb on the drum deepens, and ray gun zaps start shooting, and the barking pooch transforms into a kind of interstellar Cujo flaming into our atmosphere, the listener is transported into territory left largely unexplored since Paul Kantner grounded his Starship. Similar hallucinations are induced or approximated on the album's other tracks, all of them long, from 10 to 17 minutes, except for the 49-second finale, "Sticky End," in which a sample of an elephant defecating, set against something resembling a stomach rumble or Drano burbling through a stopped pipe, makes a mercifully brief statement. With their heads in the skies and their feet somewhere near the Bronx Zoo, Paterson and Thrash scan a vast horizon. Their humor, and their ability to sustain and evolve moods over long periods through unorthodox sampling and arranging, allow us to share the view. Copied by aLex. No permission granted. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: the white room. more like it? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 92 19:23:25 MST >> There is a full version of Church on the original White Room, with >> vocals too as I recall. > > original version? what do i have? is "original" as in "available in the UK"? I'm only guessing, but I suspect Culf means "original" as in "the demo version that's been floating around". Which I've heard a couple tracks from and they're *very* entertaining! Somebody better bootleg it soon... I probably shouldn't set myself up for this, but I'd be willing to arrange a KLF Rarities tape if some of the better-connected people around here would care to contribute a few more things. :-) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:22:15 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: >I'm not at all sure about this because when Bob and Jimi disbanded the >KLF they deleted the back catalogue. Bob??!! - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: Mike J. Brown Subject: Re: The White Room Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 7:37:37 EST > M> > Where would "So Hard (KLF remix)" fit into the chronography? > M> > M> Not to mention Policy of Truth (trancentral mix) by Depeche Mode. > > What's that like? Is that actually any good? Any sign of The KLF > sound wise? Yes, it is fairly ambient. There is a deep beat and it uses a lot of the sounds from the original version, but arranged diferrently. There is a vocal sample of a guy saying "I'm not a politician; I'm a businessman" and Dave Gahan singing "...on the Policy of Truth..." every so often. A few birds chirping, too. Watch out! The American issue of Policy of Truth is mislabeled. The CD5 does NOT contain the Trancentral mix -- the one that says it is the Trancentral mix is actually Pavlov's Dub, which is a mix by Francois Kevorkian. The mix that says Pavlov's Dub on the 12" is actually the Trancentral mix... go figure! Also let's not forget the Orb's remix of Happiest Girl, on the US CD5 of World In My Eyes. That mix is essential. Mike ---------- Subject: So Hard & Policy of Truth Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 10:35:56 PST From: conrad@CS.Stanford.EDU Where can I get these remixes by the KLF? I want them in a BAD way - they may not be the best (or maybe they are), but being a big PSB & DM fan, I gotta check these out! What CD are they on? Import? Domestic? Please fill me in so I can have my fav CD shop order them for me if necessary. Thanks in advance! _________________________________________________________________________ / / Conrad G. T. Yoder ***** conrad@cs.stanford.edu / \ Whether this is the eternal echo of a Victorian steam-driven revolution / \ or the turbo-driven kick of a distant northern rave is irrelevant. / \_________________________________________________________________________/ My views represent the Computer Science Department and Stanford University as a whole, completely and in their entirety. Stanford University is in all ways - both written and implied - morally and legally responsible for all opinions expressed above. ---------- From: NotSoPrivateHell Subject: OOPs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:28:31 GMT Sorry I ment Bill. How stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will now punish myself by listening to "Chill Out" for 24 hours non-stop I shall suffer believe me! Bigdave ---------- From: ctuel@nike.calpoly.edu (Cliff Tuel) Subject: Looking for Orb video Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 11:36:16 PST Help! I NEED a copy of the Orb video ("Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld: Patterns and Textures") in NTSC format, including the free CD. Dave Stein (angst@cs.ucsb.edu) had some, but he's sold out and can't get any more. If anyone knows where I can get one, PLEASE let me know. Thanks! Cliff Tuel __o o__ HP/Apollo System Admin \( v )/ YELLO & ART OF NOISE mailing lists: Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo /___\ Yello-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ctuel@nike.CalPoly.edu ^ ^ AoN-request@polyslo.CSc.CalPoly.edu ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 14:47:51 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Pavlovian Response to the KLF Yesterday, I went to New Jersey for work via Amtrak. Well I hadn't been on a train recently and definitely haven't been on one since I purchased Chill Out a few months back. Well, in the middle of discussing issues with my boss for our meeting I heard the train whistle. I instantly chilled. It was the stangest thing; I was almost in the same state I tend to be in when I listen to Chill Out. The whistle along with the clikety-clack of the train really triggered a response. My suggestion, go ride a train and see what happens. ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Subject: Pavlovian Response to the KLF From: Desi The Three-Armed Wonder Comic Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 12:37:42 PST hani ahkras sez: >thing; I was almost in the same state I tend to be in when I listen to Chill >Out. The whistle along with the clikety-clack of the train really triggered a >response. My suggestion, go ride a train and see what happens. when i first moved to california, i was living near a freight train track and when it went by with the bells dinging and the horn tooting it was exactly like the sounds on chill out. really freaked me out. (i grew up near a subway line - i hadn't really ever seen a freight train until i was in my 20s...) Jon Drukman (God's personal DJ) uunet!sco!jondr jondr@sco.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live faust, die jung, leave it to Beaver. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: So Hard & Policy of Truth Date: Wed, 18 Nov 92 13:41:46 MST > Where can I get these remixes by the KLF? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Pet Shop Boys: So Hard/It Must Be Obvious klf remixes 12": 1990 UK (Parlophone 12RX 6269) CD5: 1990 GE (EMI/Parlophone CDP 560-20 4092 2) 5:27 So Hard (the klf vs pet shop boys) 9:22 It Must Be Obvious (ufo mix) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Depeche Mode: Policy of Truth klf remix 12": 1990 UK (Mute L12 BONG 19) 12": 1990 US (Sire...) CD: 1990 UK (Mute LCD BONG 19) CD5: 1990 JP (Mute ALCB 110) 5:55 Policy of Truth (trancentral mix) [This mix is *not* on the US CD5, which mislabels the pavlov's dub mix as the trancentral mix. It *is* on the US 12", which makes the same error in reverse.] -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) "my heart starts missing a beat" ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: The White Room Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:47:41 EST > NOT contain the Trancentral mix -- the one that says it is the > Trancentral mix is actually Pavlov's Dub, which is a mix by Francois > Kevorkian. The mix that says Pavlov's Dub on the 12" is actually > the Trancentral mix... go figure! We were wondering about this down under, my friend and I. The UK 12" is mislabeled but I think the German is not. I suspect it's one of the KLF's antics. Mode usually has quite meticulous labelling don't you think? This is crossposted to bong too, so avoid sending to both if your replies don't apply to both :) Paul ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 19 Nov 92 1:02 Subject: Re: The White Room > > NOT contain the Trancentral mix -- the one that says it is the > > Trancentral mix is actually Pavlov's Dub, which is a mix by Francois > > Kevorkian. The mix that says Pavlov's Dub on the 12" is actually > > the Trancentral mix... go figure! > We were wondering about this down under, my friend and I. The UK 12" > is mislabeled but I think the German is not. Nope. The A-side mix of the gatefold UK 12" is by The KLF, as labelled. Pavlov's Dub is on the B-side with the Kaleid remix. Dunno about the German one... ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: Promo Disk w/UF Orb Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 17:33:41 EST > The promo disk contains: Blue Room (radio edit) > Blue Room (remix) <--new mix by Frank DeWulf > Assassin (Oasis of Rhythms mix) > Blue Room (full length) <--40 minute version May I have the catalog number for the USFOrb release with extra CD please? Thanks pepl!:) Paul ---------- From: In the Block of J Subject: Great minds Chill Alike Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 14:03:30 GMT t's nice to hear about others who listen to stuff like Chill Out not only for the musical content but for the physical effect of it. Although I enjoy the Orb stuff that I have none of it can beat Chill Out, which I rate very highly. Infact it's almost like a drug but a the effect does not wear of due to overuse. Bigdave Count those clouds man! ---------- From: jneil@panix.com (John Neilson) Subject: Great minds Chill Alike (fwd) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:36:01 EST > t's nice to hear about others who listen to stuff like Chill Out not only > for the musical content but for the physical effect of it. > Although I enjoy the Orb stuff that I have none of it can beat Chill Out, > which I rate very highly. Infact it's almost like a drug but a the effect > does not wear of due to overuse. > > Bigdave > Try it while driving! My introduction to Chill Out came when a friend and I were driving through Novia Scotia, Canada on the way back from a vacation in Newfoundland. We lucked across an amazing show on Canadian Broadcasting where they were playing a great mix of strange and wonderful music -- not at all what I would have expected to hear on national network radio anywhere, least of all in the hills of Nova Scotia! Anyway, the D.J. introduced and played a substantial chunk of Chill Out as we blasted through the pitch black hills doing about 85 at 3 in the morning, and I was hooked! (Took the better part of a year to identify what exactly we had heard and finally score a domestic disc of it though -- this was last fall). was hooked! ---------- Date: 19 Nov 92 08:56:00 +0900 From: BRADY_DAVID@tandem.com Subject: What should I get next? I have: * U.K. Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld * U.K. Blue Room * Aubrey Mixes * U.F.Orb w/bonus disc * U.S. Little Fluffy Clouds * U.S. Perpetual Dawn (All on CD, BTW.) When I see the Peel Session disc I'll pick it up... I'm into the Orb for the music - not necessarily for collecting every available mix of every song. Unless, of course, the mix adds something substantial to the music. So, what should I pick up next? David ---------- From: chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 11:56 CST Subject: Re: What should I get next? David, would suggest getting the Peel Sessions and then getting Chill Out by KLF. The only other Orb dissc i can think of is the Assassin singles, but they are had to find. r0b ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 12:42:26 PST From: jhuang@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Slowdiving) Subject: ORB it's a bit late but-anyone going to the UFOrb record release party down here in Sand Diego. it's free and passes are available at KLOK on Garnet in PacBeach. DJ Mark E. Quark will be spinning the new album and they'll have live transmission of The Orb from New York. Free copies of the Blue Room/Assassin CD single will be given out to the first 200 people. BTW, it's at 7:30, 11.19.92! enjoy. -j- ---------- From: jaffray@dent.uchicago.edu (Alan Jaffray) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1992 16:09:06 -0600 Subject: Re: What should I get next? I've heard _Higher Than The Sun_ by Primal Scream (produced by the Orb) recommended *very* highly. I have only the single mix, from a comp, and it is very good indeed... There's an interestingly titled mix, "Higher Than The Orb", and if it's even *more* Orbish than the single mix then it's surely just an Orb song sampling the original vocals... ;-) And wonder of wonders, it's domestic... I'm going to try to find it soon. -- Alan ---------- From: paul eng-yi tan Subject: Re: ORB Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:11:35 EST > it's a bit late but-anyone going to the UFOrb record release party down > here in Sand Diego. it's free and passes are available at KLOK on Garnet > in PacBeach. DJ Mark E. Quark will be spinning the new album and they'll > have live transmission of The Orb from New York. Free copies of the Blue > Room/Assassin CD single will be given out to the first 200 people. BTW, > it's at 7:30, 11.19.92! enjoy. What CD single is this? I thought each of thoses titles came as a 2cd set? Are you referring to the extra disc that comes with UFOrb?? Paul ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 92 19:34:57 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: The Orb and likeminded musicians. Can anybody here suggest a possible "list" of musicians and bands having a similar sound to The Orb, or one possibly more ambient even? ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: Devirginized of "Chill Out" Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 0:10:15 EST I was just devirginzed of "Chill Out" today, by virtue of playing the whole damn thing on my radio show... GODDAM! Whoever said that this thing was boring was a MORON!!!!! Of course, I made a board tape of it! :) Great stuff. Is the Space album like this???? -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 10:22:02 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: G-G-G-Get Ready.... Get Ready Robert got the "KLF studio DAT" yesterday and this is what's on it: 1. Intro (remixed versions of "The White Room" and "Make It Rain" smashed together) 2. Brooklyn, NY (new song) 3. Borrowed Love (new song) He said the new songs aren't very good and he understands why they dumped them but still... unreleased material by the KLF! Wow! - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: Devirginized of "Chill Out" Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 12:17:20 MST > GODDAM! Whoever said that this thing was boring was a MORON!!!!! > > Great stuff. Is the Space album like this???? 'Space' is a little more abstract, and doesn't hold my attention quite as well. It's interesting but in different ways . . . and not quite as good as 'Chill Out' IMO. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:24:37 PST From: jhuang@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Slowdiving) Subject: ORB i never learned how to use vi so i can't respond in the normal way, but the Blue Room/Assassin single is the one that comes with the UFOrb album. -J- ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:47:00 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: ORB > >i never learned how to use vi so i can't respond in the normal way, but >the Blue Room/Assassin single is the one that comes with the UFOrb >album. > -J- And if anyone is interested, I just happen to have a promo copy of that single. Anybody want to buy it? Anyone... anyone...? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 12:19:55 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Videos? Has the Orb ever produced any video clips for any of their songs? I have never seen one. I haven't been in Europe for ten months now (going back this Christmas though) and music tv here in the States is not very open-minded. Oh well... aLex. ---------- From: Matthew Hillman Date: Fri, 20 Nov 92 11:14:57 PST Subject: Looking for Orb video Sorry to bother the whole list with this, but I'm also looking for a copy of the Orb video "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld: Patterns and Textures" (in NTSC format) and the free CD. Please let me know if you know where one is available, or see one in a store somewhere! Thanks, Matt Hillman matth@microsoft.com ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1992 18:19:21 -0500 From: "alexandros g. hobson" Subject: Re: Videos? >>Has the Orb ever produced any video clips for any of their songs? >>I have never seen one. I haven't been in Europe for ten months now >>(going back this Christmas though) and music tv here in the States >>is not very open-minded. Oh well... >> >>aLex. >There's a video called "The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld: >Patterns & Textures version", with a soundtrack recorded live. >Very nice stuff. I 've heard of that one. I was referring to TV stuff, anything really... Maybe even appearances on "Top of the Pops"... :) aLex. ---------- From: In the Block of J Subject: Video Hopes Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 1:12:38 GMT Sorry to disapoint you guys, but I bought the video a while back and got no CD. The CD was strictly limited and I bought it a month or so after release. (in the UK that is) So unless it was released over there yesterday, I doubt that the CD will be forthcoming. Sorry. Get the video anyway, it's almost too excelent for words! Bigdave ---------- From: Matthew Hillman Date: Sat, 21 Nov 92 12:52:13 PST Subject: Looking for Orb video Sorry to bother the whole list with this, but I'm also looking for a copy of the Orb video "Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld: Patterns and Textures" (in NTSC format) and the free CD. Please let me know if you know where one is available, or see one in a store somewhere! Thanks, Matt Hillman matth@microsoft.com ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Administrivia (Week 2) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:41:12 MST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: asylum.sf.ca.us, pub/klf :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WEEK 002 (15 Nov 92-21 Nov 92): 068 Messages (pub/klf/Archives/klflist-9211-2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We now have 88 subscribers, me included. Message flow has dropped to a more sane level this week, thank goodness! :-) NEW TO THE ARCHIVES: Archives/klflist-9211-1 Complete archives, Week 1 (spurious headers removed) Archives/klflist-9211-2 Complete archives, Week 2 (ditto) ft5-review-blues-kbd Review: Fortran Five's 'Blues' (Keyboard) klf-lyrics-justified-12 Lyrics: KLF's "Justified And Ancient" 12" mix orb-review-uforb-kbd Review: Orb's 'U.F.Orb' (Keyboard) KLF SPOTTED: Why, what's that behind the half-naked chick on the back cover of the new issue of Last Gasp's 'Horny Biker Slut Comics' (#5)? It looks like . . . the 'White Room' promo poster! Now, who could have put *that* there? Hmmmmmm. -- .^. Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Maintainer of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:31:48 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson > I 've heard of that one. I was referring to TV stuff, anything > really... Maybe even appearances on "Top of the Pops"... :) They've been on TOTP when "Blue Room" was in the Top 20. They were sitting at a table playing chess while the video was shown on TV screens in the background. They've also been on MTV's Most Wanted where they played "live" in the studio. And they've been interviewed on MTV News (many many times), Party Zone, Dance Energy etc etc. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:19:50 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: Devirginized of "Chill Out" Do you really think it's appropriate to be making copies of albums you really like a lot? I mean, I may make copies of stuff in an expansive effort to keep up with everything, but if something is as effervescently great as Chill Out is, and if you like it as much as you say you do, shouldn't you shell out the $ instead of copying it? Support quality tunes! ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:22:14 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: ORB RE: UFOrb. I purchased UFOrb on CD, and it didn't come with anything at all. Should it have? I was speaking to the president of Attic records, and I was mentioning to him how good I thought it was and how it was great that they were releasing such good material these days. I think the words he used were, "Yeah, it's a fun one, eh?". Yeah, whatever you say, pal. ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:23:09 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: ORB RE: Buying your Blue Room / Assassin single. How much? ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:24:07 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: Videos? I've seen the Little Fluffy Clouds video until I was nearly sick of it. MuchMusic (Canadian music channel) and MusiquePlus (French Canadian music channel) played it endlessly for a while. ---------- From: Lee Sanders Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:05:27 GMT Subject: Re: Videos? >Has the Orb ever produced any video clips for any of their songs? >I have never seen one. I haven't been in Europe for ten months now >(going back this Christmas though) and music tv here in the States >is not very open-minded. Oh well... I know there is a Fluffy clouds video coz I've got it on tape. Funnily enough I got it off MTV europe - obviously different programming to the real thing. Lee. lee@muppet.bt.co.uk ---------- From: Lee Sanders Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:39:02 GMT Subject: MTV Europe In Christian Bartholdsson's posting of Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:31:48 When he referred to MTV I believe he should (to be more accurate) have called it MTV Europe. Does anyone know how different MTV and MTV europe are ? ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:35:17 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Videos >When he referred to MTV I believe he should (to be more accurate) have >called it MTV Europe. He should have, yeah, but sometimes he forgets. >Does anyone know how different MTV and MTV europe are ? Previously the only MTV US programme being shown on MTV Europe was "The US Top 20 Countdown", but recently they've started to show two other programmes as well, "MTV Sports" and "The Real World" (the rest is made in Europa). Generally, the two stations differ quite significantly, judging by clips I've seen of MTV US. The American MTV throw things out in an hysterical pace, effects! music! tempo! cut! cut! cut!, while the European MTV is much slower and... er... stylish. An interview on MTV US is cut up into portions of 2-3 words with very short bits of music spliced in, while a European interview might go on for 3 minutes without being edited. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:57:54 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Studio DAT Today I received the "KLF Studio DAT" tape and here's some more facts about the songs: 1. Intro (4:53) A complete chaos consisting of "3 am Eternal", "Build A Fire" and "The White Room" (all original versions from the first "White Room" album) plus a sample from "Just Keep Rockin'" by Double Trouble. The mix is very amateurish and either a) it's not made by KLF or b) they were completely pissed when they made it. 2. Brooklyn, NY (3:16) This a pretty good track. It starts off in a laid-back way with just drums and the "Brooklyn, New York" sample being repeated in time with the rhythm. After about 1:30 a modulated acid killer bassline sets in. Lots of sound effects from "Chill Out" are splashed around. This could have been something really good if they had continued working on it. 3. Borrowed Love (10:41) Typical JAMS percussion on this one. Like on "Brooklyn.." a deep acid bassline is the main feature. Some parts of the song sound like "Go To Sleep" with great chord progressions. A woman is singing about "I just can't live on borrowed love". Samples from space launches and other things they used on "Pulsating Brain (Peel session)". The song ends with Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday To You". This is undoubtedly a demo recording; at one point it sounds like they're switching from one sequencer track to another. Still, pretty good and very trancey. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Subject: Re: ORB From: your humble friend and narrator Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:39:03 -0500 > I purchased UFOrb on CD, and it didn't come with anything at all. Should it > have? I was speaking to the president of Attic records, and I was mentioning > to him how good I thought it was and how it was great that they were releasing > such good material these days. I think the words he used were, "Yeah, it's > a fun one, eh?". Yeah, whatever you say, pal. That's because it was the Canadian release (same one I got). _U.F. Orb_ was released in Canada about 3 or 4 months before it was in the States, for some reason. No idea why. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- From: jaffray@dent.uchicago.edu (Alan Jaffray) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:14:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Videos Well, that gives you an idea of the American attention span... Watching MTV US for over half an hour or so is more hypnotic than entertaining or informative, and of course listening to the music above the constant visual glare isn't an easy task, either. There are a *few* videos that actually complement the song, rather than distract from it, but not many... But then, I'm a heretic (don't even own a television anymore). Ignore everything I say. ;-) -- Alan ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:04:09 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: ORB RE: U.F.Orb Canadian Release So what is the single that I'm missing which should have come with it, and is it available separately? ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: ORB Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:21:11 MST > RE: U.F.Orb Canadian Release > > So what is the single that I'm missing which should have come with it, and is > it available separately? There is no single that "should have" come with the Canadian release -- only the first run of the US release has the bonus single. It is the US promo CD5 for "Blue Room" and has the 3:09 edit, 7:37 frank de wulf remix, and 40:00 full length versions of "Blue Room" plus the oasis of rhythms mix of "Assassin". (As far as I know, this promo CD is the only place the frank de wulf remix and 3:09 edit turn up.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:41:34 EST From: Neil Kelly Subject: UFOrb single Well, the US version I got, the second CD has:: Blue Room (edit) about 3 mins Blue Room (remix) about 7 mins Assassin (oasis of rhythms mix) about 11 mins Blue Room (full length) about 40 mins I have yet to see it available by iteslf...the last 2 tracks are available on other things, although they're UK only, so far as I know. The other two, well I'm not sure. You may want to FTP to Lazlo's site and get his discography. BTW, I got Fortran 5's "heart On The Line" CD5. Is the rest of their stuff like that, because if it is, I may be running out of money soon. Neil Kelly ---------- Subject: us release of UFORB From: John A Savage Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:10:31 -0500 The extra CD is well worth trying to obtain even if you live outside US its rather good! hmm, Troc !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ---------- From: sbranson@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Tigger) Subject: Orb Bonus CD Single Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:35:01 PST To all who have been dying to get your hands on the promo bonus CD single for the Blue Room, I managed to get a few extra copies from the Orb Listening Excursion here in San Diego. They are in a jewel box with artwork made especially for this event. As far as I know, there are only about 275 available in this format. Also, they each come with a special Orb "mission window sticker", the same one that came in the import Assassin CD (part 2). These are pretty rare, but I don't know what a reasonable price to charge is. Please, if you write, make an offer of what it is worth to you. Orb: Blue Room (cdp 804: Statik/UFOrb Listening Excursion Promo) 1. Blue Room (edit) 3:09 2. Blue Room (remix) 7:37 3. Assassin (oasis of rhythms mix) 15:14 4. Blue Room (full length) 40:00 +Orb Mission Window Sticker +Specially Designed insert and back graphics for listening excursion 11/19/92 Tigger! sbranson@ucsd.edu "turn down the volume....we're sleeping" -fax from uranus, 06.29.92 ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Subject: MU Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:18:03 EST Hey, gang, 2 questions: 1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know about a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? 2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of the "3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? And lastly(OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? This was allegedly put out by Play it Again Sam US, and I heard this from a usually-reliable source... Thanks again.... -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:22:55 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Questions >1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know about >a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? I'm sure most of us know about it. >2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of the >"3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? It's very hard to get and usually goes for around $100-130. >And lastly(OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can anyone >confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? Never heard of it. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:15:46 EST From: Neil Kelly Subject: Trance I thought that KLF was planning an album called "Pure Trance" to follow the Black Room. (Of course, we know they had *lots* of plans for after May, 1992.) Speaking of Black Room, anyone heard anything about bootlegs of it? ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:49:54 EST From: Hani W Akhras Subject: Re: Trance >I thought that KLF was planning an album called "Pure Trance" to follow >the Black Room. (Of course, we know they had *lots* of plans for after >May, 1992.) Speaking of Black Room, anyone heard anything about bootlegs >of it? Speaking of Black Room, what is it? Also, I picked up the history of the JAMS the other day. I can't say that its great but it is really funny at times (Whitney joins the Jams). Some of the songs are pretty interesting. I particularly like the porpoise song. I got two questions, first of all, who wrote "Set it Off"; I have loved that song since first hearing it in college but I never did find out who wrote it. Also, they sample the same bit of music that is sampled in O Fortuna (by apothesis); where is that from (if its a famous classical piece of music, excuse my ignorance) ? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 16:18:43 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Questions >> >"3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? >> >> It's very hard to get and usually goes for around $100-130. >> > >Say WHAT?!?!?!?!??!! The damn thing was on the British charts not too long >ago, and now you say I can't get one?!?!?!??! AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH It has never been in the charts. It was sold by mail-order only and pressed in 1000 copies. Extremely sought-after record, hence the price. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: orjan@siri.unit.no Subject: Re: Orb Bonus CD Single Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 17:18:21 +0100 Yes! I am very interrested in the promo CD you have got. Special US releases are pretty difficult to get here in the north of Europe. A reasonable price? .. ..i dont know. Do you think 20$ is reasonable?. Please mail me. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re: MU Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 9:46:09 MST > 1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know > about a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? I picked it up in L.A. last winter for around $23. It's very nicely packaged (as usual for a Japanese CD) but the contents are nothing special: CD: 1991 JP (DJ:/EMI TOCP-6916: Y1,800) 5:55 3 a.m. Eternal (live at the s.s.l.) 8:10 Justified and Ancient (all bound for mu mu land) 4:02 Make It Rain (extended version) 5:35 Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent) 8:37 America: What Time Is Love? [includes 28pp. booklet: bio, lyrics, photos, etc.] The 5:35 "Last Train" is hard to find on CD, but the rest are readily available. (And "Make It Rain" is really just the album mix.) > 2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of > the "3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? It'll be on the rarities tape. Stay tuned. > And lastly (OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can > anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? I don't think anyone can because nothing I've ever seen or read leads me to believe it was ever actually released. Just another ones of the thousands of vaporware KLF records . . . -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) Every day I go insane, walking on the mines that I have lain. ---------- Subject: Peel sessions From: John A Savage Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 13:43:52 -0500 Hi just wondering, what are the Orb Peel sessions like? as I was thinking of buying them, but here in US one can't listen first :-( hmm John BTW I know nobody is interested in my snail address, but it is necessary to offset the quote on the other side! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Fortran 5 Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:23:57 MST > BTW, I got Fortran 5's "heart On The Line" CD5. Is the rest of their stuff > like that, because if it is, I may be running out of money soon. Fortran 5 have almost as many different styles as The KLF do, and in fact for a long time I thought "Heart On The Line" was their weakest single! Definitely get 'Blues' -- it's available domestically and you can decide which singles you like enough to try the mixes of from there. My favorite tracks are "Bike" (Syd Barrett deconstructed and housified), "XX21" (standard but entertaining techno), and "Look To The Future" (serious hardcore '70s funk jam action). -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: 24 Nov 1992 14:22:53 -0600 (CST) From: David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu> Subject: Trance? LN> > And lastly (OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for LN> > anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? LN> LN> I don't think anyone can because nothing I've ever seen or read LN> leads me to believe it was ever actually released. Just another LN> ones of the thousands of vaporware KLF records . . . Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record store with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big number on it (One is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". What are these, should I pick them up? Are they what we're talking about? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David Eschatfische 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU |"Where all is bad... ----------------------------------------------| it must be good to D O N ' T B E F O O L E D. NO ONE IS SAFE! | know the worst." * "Good luck, bad luck, waiting in a line." * | - the Art Of Noise -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Opinions expressed are that of my oppressors." ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:19:45 EST From: Neil Kelly Subject: Black Room Oops, forgot this isn't just a KLF list. The Black Room was the project that Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty were working on between mid 1991 (?) and May 1992 with Extreme Noise Terror. Allegedly, bootlegs could appear since it was recorded, just never finished off with mixing. The only tracks that I know of that were named off it were "38" "The Black Room and Terminator 10" and "It's Grim Up North". Oh, I like the Porpoise Song too. If you can find a bootleg of it, the JAMS album "1987" is really similar to most of "History..." in its style. NK, babbling instead of studying. ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 12:31:08 EST From: Neil Kelly Subject: Rarities tape? Lazlo said "It'll <3AM/ENT> be on the rarities tape." Explain, please. Maybe it's something I missed. NK, leaving for a week. ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 09:42:26 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson Subject: Re: Trance? > Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record >store with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big >number on it (One is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". >What are these, should I pick them up? Are they what we're talking >about? No, those are the first issues of "3am" and "WTIL". I don't know what material should have been on the "Pure Trance" album... it says something like "taken from the film soundtrack 'The White Room'" on the "Pure Trance" singles. I know they had recorded an album called "Live At Trancentral" but wiped the mastertapes for some reason. The only track left from that album is the Paterson mix ("Orbital") of "3am Eternal". - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 05:38:55 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re: MU RE: MU My housemate has got it, yes. (The Japanese 5-song thing.) RE: Trance Why not write / phone PIAS? ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 25 Nov 92 16:09 Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet > Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record store > with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big number on it (One > is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". What are these, should > I pick them up? Are they what we're talking about? The Pure Trance series is something The KLF did as part of the original White Room soundtrack - there were to be five singles, each with remixes, released on the run up to Xmas 1988. All would be featured in the movie, which was supposed to be completed by late Summer 1989. In the event, recording delays and indecision meant that only a few of the 10 12" got released: Pure Trance 1 - What Time Is Love [KLF004T, 4R] Pure Trance 2 - 3 AM Eternal [KLF005T, 5R] Pure Trance 5 - Last Train To Trancentral(Remixes) [KLF008R] The others were Pure Trance 3 - Love Trance Pure Trance 4 - Turn Up The Strobe . and then the original versions of Last Train To Trancentral, called Go To Sleep/E-Train To Trancentral. Sleeves and labels were printed for all these non-releases, but the recordings were never satisfactorily finished. There were plans to remix the above as an album called "Pure Trance", and then further as "Live At Trancentral", as well as having them on the White Room soundtrack. As is usual with most KLF plans, it didn't happen. There's an excellent booklet I was sent a week or so ago now, that details this, and almost all other matters regarding The KLF. It's written by a contact of mine who lives someplace in the south of England - I haven't met him yet, but we have been writing to each other for two years now, and he is very close to The KLF. The booklet is produced with the help of The KLF, and Mike Dutton, who is a well-known record dealer in the UK. It's a fascinating read, very detailed, nicely presented, with illustrations and photographs. Pete Robinson- "Justified And Ancient History (The Unfolding Story Of The KLF)" It includes the history of The KLF, its development under various guises, copies of press releases, label copies, press ads, chronology/biography and discography, inside information, and loads more. Forthcoming soon is the "Alternative KLF 1992 Mail Order" sheet, which will have "bpm23 - Who Killed The KLF?"/"KLF R.I.P." T-shirts available, and A5 or A4 size copies of the "J&A History booklet". I recomend anyone interested in The KLF/JAMS/Illuminati (andthe Orb even get a few brief mentions) gets a copy of this. Pete sent me a copy of the booklet gratis (I get a credit at the back for some reason, even though I didn't know he was producing it until it arrived - pays me back for not writing for half a year :), and I have the sale price - but as most readers of this list are overseas, I shall have to check with him about postage and method of payment etc... Anyone interested in this 78-page booklet (and as a rough guide - in the UK he's selling it for 2.80 pounds sterling [A5 size - 4.80 for A4]) should mail me pretty soon please, and I'll let Pete know how much interest there is. Go on... it's cheap, interesting, and informative - and has to be worth getting! From the back cover :: " Five years to the day, The JAMs had released, under a number of aliases (predominantly The KLF), six albums and twenty-five singles, began the ABBA revival four years before Erasure recorded 'that' single, and were directly responsible for the resurrections of the careers of Tammy Wynette, Gary Glitter and Extreme Noise Terror. But we all make mistakes. " Culf. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 12:15:11 MST Culf and others: If it would help with postage and ease-of-ordering, I'd be willing to buy copies of 'Justified And Ancient History' in bulk and distribute them to listmembers here in the States at my cost. Could you ask Pete if he'd be willing to knock the price down a bit (or what the price would be, period) for, say, a twenty- or thirty-copy order? -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 20:21:10 -0500 From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet RE: 78-page booklet. I'd definitely be interested. ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 26 Nov 92 23:11 Subject: Re[2]: Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet Lazlo, et al : > If it would help with postage and ease-of-ordering, I'd be willing to buy > copies of 'Justified And Ancient History' in bulk and distribute them to > listmembers here in the States at my cost. Could you ask Pete if he'd be > willing to knock the price down a bit (or what the price would be, period) > for, say, a twenty- or thirty-copy order? Well, I phoned Pete up while at On The Wire (radio show) tonight, and he says he hasn't any of the smaller size left, and about 8 of the larger A4 ('day-glow' pink apparently), BUT he is getting some more printed. I've had quite a large response to this... so it looks well worth your while getting a largish batch Lazlo. I mentioned to Pete that I'd told the list, and he is going to look into prices for sending abroad. I'll give him another call this weekend and let him know the response I've gotten here. It might be a while before this gets organised though, so bear with us. As someone else on the list commented to me (Drew), this was advertised by Steve Wright on Britain's most popular (poplier) afternoon radio show - this is because (inside knowledge here!) Scott Piering, who runs Appearing Promotions (long associated with KLF Communications) was well impressed with it, and passed it on to Steve. Also, Bill Drummond was impressed. Cressida and Sallie from KLF Comms haven't been in touch, or haven't been asked :) . So, Lazlo, shall I ask Pete for 25 copies say, and then see what sort of numbers he comes up with?? I shall phone Cressida this weekend too if I get the chance, and mention the tape of KLF rarities, and see if I can wangle something out of them... maybe a Monster Attack Mix or something... :) . We'll see. Is there anything in particular you'd like that you can't get hold of?? (mail me absolutely ASAP please, I leave here tomorrow afternoon!). More news soon... here's another enticing quote : " Drummond and Cauty will probably release the new single next week under a totally new alias and ruin everything. Let's hope so. " And more, from the final part of Distribution Girl : " She remembers the words of The KLF, something about which records burn well. She finds her matches; in the cupboard with her Rizlas. Lights a match, drops it on the heap. At the summit sits the NME. The pile erupts. 'Burn The Beat'. As the flames lick the ceiling like the Angels Of Mu finally finding freedom, Distribution Girl collects her belongings. 'At least I'll still get the Orb promos.' The bag is full. Time to go. But she's already there. " " The door swings open. " Culf. ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 15:02:45 +0100 From: Christian Bartholdsson >More news soon... here's another enticing quote : > > " Drummond and Cauty will probably release the new single next week under > a totally new alias and ruin everything. Let's hope so. " I read in NME last week that Bill and Zodiac Mindwarp are going to the North Pole where they will place a picture of Elvis Presley. Then they will write a book about the trip. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: 27 Nov 92 16:47 Subject: KLF Book - update OK, Further to Lazlo's suggestion of him buying in bulk and redistributing in the states, I got an offer from someone who will do likewise for Australia, if it's worth it. Now, it helps if we know more definitely how many people want copies, so then the appropriate number can be ordered to save hassles all around. So far, I have had interested enquiries from: Lazlo Nibble @unm.edu (twenty- or thirty-copy order?) David Datta @uwp.edu Matt Hargreaves @seattle.usa Drew Radtke @bradford.ac.uk Alan Jaffray @uchicago.edu jeffy @MIT.EDU (2) John A Savage @jhu.edu (via UK?) paul eng-yi tan @Mu.OZ.AU Richard P Kernin @NIAGARA.EDU ahmadi @declab.queensu.ca Christian Bartholdsson @UU.SE Kalalahti Matti @tut.fi (A4) Ola Torstensson @lth.se Dave Llewellyn @loughborough.ac.uk Mario @mu.OZ.AU That's 7 US, 1 Canadian, 2 Australian, 2 Swedish, 2 UK, and a Finland. Or something. Lazlo's offered to do USA distribution (generally... inc Ca?) and Mario for Oz.. The UK is no problem for Pete :) . Finland and Sweden are slightly more out-of-the-way (no offense!), but shouldn't be too difficult. I'll tell him he's got interested parties from these countries too. If anyone else Stateside would like a copy, then please let Lazlo AND myself know... similarly for Australia, mail Mario and myself. Thanks... Culf. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: The KLF Book Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 11:43:30 MST > If anyone else Stateside would like a copy, then please let Lazlo AND myself > know... I haven't been keeping track of who's been requesting copies from me until now, so if you've sent me a request over the past day or two, please *resend* your request to *klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us* and I'll start filing them more carefully. That goes for new requests too. (Don't worry too much about not being able to get a copy, though -- I plan to order more than enough for everyone.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- Date: 27 Nov 92 11:13 -0800 From: Nou Dadoun Subject: Re: The KLF Book Depending on the cost, I might go for 4 or 5 copies for the shop [we're a jazz/folk/blues store for the most part, but the other guys have been having a hoot because I keep ordering all these Orb CD single remixes, and some of the UK double Adventures and somebody keeps buying them, and not just me...], but one for myself at least. -----------------------------------------------------> Nou ==== Nou Dadoun | ubc-cs!cs.ubc.ca!dadoun | Black Swan Records, Dpt. of Comp. Sci., UBC, | dadoun@cs.ubc.ca | 2936 W. 4th Ave., Vancouver, BC, V6T 1W5 |-------------------------| Vancouver, BC, V6K 1R2 (604) 822-3065 / 822-5485 [FAX] | (604) 734-2828 / 734-2899 [FAX] ---------- Subject: Patterns and Textures Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 14:29:17 -0500 From: dlkung@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU I've just returned from a fantastically successful shopping trip to NYC and I picked up the Orb video Patterns and Textures. The video is ok, you can pretty much zone to it, it's basic video effects superimposed with concert footage, landscapes and the rotoscoped dolphin featured in the Blue Room video. If you've seen the Blue Room video, Patterns and Textures is pretty much like a 50 minute version. As for the "live" CD included, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, besides hearing it while watching it last night. I'll post a more extensive review later, but Little Fluffy Clouds and Perpetual Dawn are pretty different, actually, all the tracks are but I need more time to compare. Also... Sorry to any New Yorkers on the list but I picked up the last copy. I got it at Rebel Rebel on Bleeker, they may get more later. -dave ps. Put me on the list for the KLF book!!! --------------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf@asylum.sf.ca.us) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 92 18:41:12 MST Subject: Administrivia (Week 2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: asylum.sf.ca.us, pub/klf :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WEEK 002 (15 Nov 92-21 Nov 92): 068 Messages (pub/klf/Archives/klflist-9211-2) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ We now have 88 subscribers, me included. Message flow has dropped to a more sane level this week, thank goodness! :-) NEW TO THE ARCHIVES: Archives/klflist-9211-1 Complete archives, Week 1 (spurious headers removed) Archives/klflist-9211-2 Complete archives, Week 2 (ditto) ft5-review-blues-kbd Review: Fortran Five's 'Blues' (Keyboard) klf-lyrics-justified-12 Lyrics: KLF's "Justified And Ancient" 12" mix orb-review-uforb-kbd Review: Orb's 'U.F.Orb' (Keyboard) KLF SPOTTED: Why, what's that behind the half-naked chick on the back cover of the new issue of Last Gasp's 'Horny Biker Slut Comics' (#5)? It looks like . . . the 'White Room' promo poster! Now, who could have put *that* there? Hmmmmmm. -- .^. Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Maintainer of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:31:48 +0100 > I 've heard of that one. I was referring to TV stuff, anything > really... Maybe even appearances on "Top of the Pops"... :) They've been on TOTP when "Blue Room" was in the Top 20. They were sitting at a table playing chess while the video was shown on TV screens in the background. They've also been on MTV's Most Wanted where they played "live" in the studio. And they've been interviewed on MTV News (many many times), Party Zone, Dance Energy etc etc. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: front242@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:19:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Devirginized of "Chill Out" Do you really think it's appropriate to be making copies of albums you really like a lot? I mean, I may make copies of stuff in an expansive effort to keep up with everything, but if something is as effervescently great as Chill Out is, and if you like it as much as you say you do, shouldn't you shell out the $ instead of copying it? Support quality tunes! ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: jhuang@SDCC13.UCSD.EDU, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:22:14 -0500 Subject: Re: ORB RE: UFOrb. I purchased UFOrb on CD, and it didn't come with anything at all. Should it have? I was speaking to the president of Attic records, and I was mentioning to him how good I thought it was and how it was great that they were releasing such good material these days. I think the words he used were, "Yeah, it's a fun one, eh?". Yeah, whatever you say, pal. ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: hwa@FASSM.JHUAPL.EDU, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:23:09 -0500 Subject: Re: ORB RE: Buying your Blue Room / Assassin single. How much? ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: alexees@WAM.UMD.EDU, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 04:24:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Videos? I've seen the Little Fluffy Clouds video until I was nearly sick of it. MuchMusic (Canadian music channel) and MusiquePlus (French Canadian music channel) played it endlessly for a while. ---------- From: Lee Sanders To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 10:05:27 GMT Subject: Re: Videos? >Has the Orb ever produced any video clips for any of their songs? >I have never seen one. I haven't been in Europe for ten months now >(going back this Christmas though) and music tv here in the States >is not very open-minded. Oh well... I know there is a Fluffy clouds video coz I've got it on tape. Funnily enough I got it off MTV europe - obviously different programming to the real thing. Lee. lee@muppet.bt.co.uk ---------- From: Lee Sanders To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 11:39:02 GMT Subject: MTV Europe In Christian Bartholdsson's posting of Mon, 23 Nov 92 09:31:48 When he referred to MTV I believe he should (to be more accurate) have called it MTV Europe. Does anyone know how different MTV and MTV europe are ? ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:35:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Videos >When he referred to MTV I believe he should (to be more accurate) have >called it MTV Europe. He should have, yeah, but sometimes he forgets. >Does anyone know how different MTV and MTV europe are ? Previously the only MTV US programme being shown on MTV Europe was "The US Top 20 Countdown", but recently they've started to show two other programmes as well, "MTV Sports" and "The Real World" (the rest is made in Europa). Generally, the two stations differ quite significantly, judging by clips I've seen of MTV US. The American MTV throw things out in an hysterical pace, effects! music! tempo! cut! cut! cut!, while the European MTV is much slower and... er... stylish. An interview on MTV US is cut up into portions of 2-3 words with very short bits of music spliced in, while a European interview might go on for 3 minutes without being edited. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:57:54 +0100 Subject: Studio DAT Today I received the "KLF Studio DAT" tape and here's some more facts about the songs: 1. Intro (4:53) A complete chaos consisting of "3 am Eternal", "Build A Fire" and "The White Room" (all original versions from the first "White Room" album) plus a sample from "Just Keep Rockin'" by Double Trouble. The mix is very amateurish and either a) it's not made by KLF or b) they were completely pissed when they made it. 2. Brooklyn, NY (3:16) This a pretty good track. It starts off in a laid-back way with just drums and the "Brooklyn, New York" sample being repeated in time with the rhythm. After about 1:30 a modulated acid killer bassline sets in. Lots of sound effects from "Chill Out" are splashed around. This could have been something really good if they had continued working on it. 3. Borrowed Love (10:41) Typical JAMS percussion on this one. Like on "Brooklyn.." a deep acid bassline is the main feature. Some parts of the song sound like "Go To Sleep" with great chord progressions. A woman is singing about "I just can't live on borrowed love". Samples from space launches and other things they used on "Pulsating Brain (Peel session)". The song ends with Marilyn Monroe singing "Happy Birthday To You". This is undoubtedly a demo recording; at one point it sounds like they're switching from one sequencer track to another. Still, pretty good and very trancey. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: your humble friend and narrator To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:39:03 -0500 Subject: Re: ORB > I purchased UFOrb on CD, and it didn't come with anything at all. Should it > have? I was speaking to the president of Attic records, and I was mentioning > to him how good I thought it was and how it was great that they were releasing > such good material these days. I think the words he used were, "Yeah, it's > a fun one, eh?". Yeah, whatever you say, pal. That's because it was the Canadian release (same one I got). _U.F. Orb_ was released in Canada about 3 or 4 months before it was in the States, for some reason. No idea why. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/ _/ What were the skies like _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ when you were young? ---------- From: jaffray@dent.uchicago.edu (Alan Jaffray) To: Christian Bartholdsson Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 11:14:48 -0600 Subject: Re: Videos Well, that gives you an idea of the American attention span... Watching MTV US for over half an hour or so is more hypnotic than entertaining or informative, and of course listening to the music above the constant visual glare isn't an easy task, either. There are a *few* videos that actually complement the song, rather than distract from it, but not many... But then, I'm a heretic (don't even own a television anymore). Ignore everything I say. ;-) -- Alan ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: jdrage@UNDERGRAD.MATH.UWATERLOO.CA, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:04:09 -0500 Subject: Re: ORB RE: U.F.Orb Canadian Release So what is the single that I'm missing which should have come with it, and is it available separately? ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.queensu.ca Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 13:21:11 MST Subject: Re: ORB > RE: U.F.Orb Canadian Release > > So what is the single that I'm missing which should have come with it, and is > it available separately? There is no single that "should have" come with the Canadian release -- only the first run of the US release has the bonus single. It is the US promo CD5 for "Blue Room" and has the 3:09 edit, 7:37 frank de wulf remix, and 40:00 full length versions of "Blue Room" plus the oasis of rhythms mix of "Assassin". (As far as I know, this promo CD is the only place the frank de wulf remix and 3:09 edit turn up.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Neil Kelly To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 15:41:34 EST Subject: UFOrb single Well, the US version I got, the second CD has:: Blue Room (edit) about 3 mins Blue Room (remix) about 7 mins Assassin (oasis of rhythms mix) about 11 mins Blue Room (full length) about 40 mins I have yet to see it available by iteslf...the last 2 tracks are available on other things, although they're UK only, so far as I know. The other two, well I'm not sure. You may want to FTP to Lazlo's site and get his discography. BTW, I got Fortran 5's "heart On The Line" CD5. Is the rest of their stuff like that, because if it is, I may be running out of money soon. Neil Kelly ---------- From: John A Savage To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1992 16:10:31 -0500 Subject: us release of UFORB The extra CD is well worth trying to obtain even if you live outside US its rather good! hmm, Troc !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ---------- From: sbranson@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Tigger) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 23:35:01 PST Subject: Orb Bonus CD Single To all who have been dying to get your hands on the promo bonus CD single for the Blue Room, I managed to get a few extra copies from the Orb Listening Excursion here in San Diego. They are in a jewel box with artwork made especially for this event. As far as I know, there are only about 275 available in this format. Also, they each come with a special Orb "mission window sticker", the same one that came in the import Assassin CD (part 2). These are pretty rare, but I don't know what a reasonable price to charge is. Please, if you write, make an offer of what it is worth to you. Orb: Blue Room (cdp 804: Statik/UFOrb Listening Excursion Promo) 1. Blue Room (edit) 3:09 2. Blue Room (remix) 7:37 3. Assassin (oasis of rhythms mix) 15:14 4. Blue Room (full length) 40:00 +Orb Mission Window Sticker +Specially Designed insert and back graphics for listening excursion 11/19/92 Tigger! sbranson@ucsd.edu "turn down the volume....we're sleeping" -fax from uranus, 06.29.92 ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 23 Nov 92 19:18:03 EST Subject: MU Hey, gang, 2 questions: 1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know about a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? 2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of the "3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? And lastly(OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? This was allegedly put out by Play it Again Sam US, and I heard this from a usually-reliable source... Thanks again.... -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:22:55 +0100 Subject: Questions >1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know about >a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? I'm sure most of us know about it. >2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of the >"3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? It's very hard to get and usually goes for around $100-130. >And lastly(OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can anyone >confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? Never heard of it. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: Neil Kelly To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:15:46 EST Subject: Trance I thought that KLF was planning an album called "Pure Trance" to follow the Black Room. (Of course, we know they had *lots* of plans for after May, 1992.) Speaking of Black Room, anyone heard anything about bootlegs of it? ---------- From: Hani W Akhras To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 09:49:54 EST Subject: Re: Trance >I thought that KLF was planning an album called "Pure Trance" to follow >the Black Room. (Of course, we know they had *lots* of plans for after >May, 1992.) Speaking of Black Room, anyone heard anything about bootlegs >of it? Speaking of Black Room, what is it? Also, I picked up the history of the JAMS the other day. I can't say that its great but it is really funny at times (Whitney joins the Jams). Some of the songs are pretty interesting. I particularly like the porpoise song. I got two questions, first of all, who wrote "Set it Off"; I have loved that song since first hearing it in college but I never did find out who wrote it. Also, they sample the same bit of music that is sampled in O Fortuna (by apothesis); where is that from (if its a famous classical piece of music, excuse my ignorance) ? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 16:18:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Questions >> >"3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? >> >> It's very hard to get and usually goes for around $100-130. >> > >Say WHAT?!?!?!?!??!! The damn thing was on the British charts not too long >ago, and now you say I can't get one?!?!?!??! AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH It has never been in the charts. It was sold by mail-order only and pressed in 1000 copies. Extremely sought-after record, hence the price. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: orjan@siri.unit.no To: sbranson@SDCC13.UCSD.EDU (Tigger) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 17:18:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Orb Bonus CD Single Yes! I am very interrested in the promo CD you have got. Special US releases are pretty difficult to get here in the north of Europe. A reasonable price? .. ..i dont know. Do you think 20$ is reasonable?. Please mail me. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 9:46:09 MST Subject: Re: MU > 1) This isn't a "Where?" question, but how many of youse out there know > about a Japanese 5-song comp. called "MU"? I picked it up in L.A. last winter for around $23. It's very nicely packaged (as usual for a Japanese CD) but the contents are nothing special: CD: 1991 JP (DJ:/EMI TOCP-6916: Y1,800) 5:55 3 a.m. Eternal (live at the s.s.l.) 8:10 Justified and Ancient (all bound for mu mu land) 4:02 Make It Rain (extended version) 5:35 Last Train To Trancentral (live from the lost continent) 8:37 America: What Time Is Love? [includes 28pp. booklet: bio, lyrics, photos, etc.] The 5:35 "Last Train" is hard to find on CD, but the rest are readily available. (And "Make It Rain" is really just the album mix.) > 2) Does anybody want to sell, or can tell me where I can get, a copy of > the "3AM Eternal" done with KLF and Extreme Noise Terror????? It'll be on the rarities tape. Stay tuned. > And lastly (OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for me, can > anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? I don't think anyone can because nothing I've ever seen or read leads me to believe it was ever actually released. Just another ones of the thousands of vaporware KLF records . . . -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) Every day I go insane, walking on the mines that I have lain. ---------- From: John A Savage To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1992 13:43:52 -0500 Subject: Peel sessions Hi just wondering, what are the Orb Peel sessions like? as I was thinking of buying them, but here in US one can't listen first :-( hmm John BTW I know nobody is interested in my snail address, but it is necessary to offset the quote on the other side! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! John Savage : Troc@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu ! Wot no disclaimer? ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ! or using "snail-mail" at :- !"I see a dark sail on the horizon. ! ! ! Set under a black cloud that hides ! ! Apt # 205 ! the sun. Bring me my broadsword ! ! 2905 N. Charles St, ! and clear understanding. Bring me ! ! Baltimore, ! my cross of gold as a talisman." ! ! Maryland 21218 ! ! ! U.S.A. ! Jethro Tull, Broadsword ! !---------------------------------------!-------------------------------------! ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: KNVO%MARIST@vm.marist.edu (Neil Kelly) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:23:57 MST Subject: Fortran 5 > BTW, I got Fortran 5's "heart On The Line" CD5. Is the rest of their stuff > like that, because if it is, I may be running out of money soon. Fortran 5 have almost as many different styles as The KLF do, and in fact for a long time I thought "Heart On The Line" was their weakest single! Definitely get 'Blues' -- it's available domestically and you can decide which singles you like enough to try the mixes of from there. My favorite tracks are "Bike" (Syd Barrett deconstructed and housified), "XX21" (standard but entertaining techno), and "Look To The Future" (serious hardcore '70s funk jam action). -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu> To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: 24 Nov 1992 14:22:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Trance? LN> > And lastly (OK, so I lied!), since no one answered this one for LN> > anyone confirm the existence of a KLF record called "Trance"? LN> LN> I don't think anyone can because nothing I've ever seen or read LN> leads me to believe it was ever actually released. Just another LN> ones of the thousands of vaporware KLF records . . . Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record store with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big number on it (One is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". What are these, should I pick them up? Are they what we're talking about? -------------------------------------------------------------------- David Eschatfische 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU |"Where all is bad... ----------------------------------------------| it must be good to D O N ' T B E F O O L E D. NO ONE IS SAFE! | know the worst." * "Good luck, bad luck, waiting in a line." * | - the Art Of Noise -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Opinions expressed are that of my oppressors." ---------- From: Neil Kelly To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 10:19:45 EST Subject: Black Room Oops, forgot this isn't just a KLF list. The Black Room was the project that Bill Drummond and Jimmy Cauty were working on between mid 1991 (?) and May 1992 with Extreme Noise Terror. Allegedly, bootlegs could appear since it was recorded, just never finished off with mixing. The only tracks that I know of that were named off it were "38" "The Black Room and Terminator 10" and "It's Grim Up North". Oh, I like the Porpoise Song too. If you can find a bootleg of it, the JAMS album "1987" is really similar to most of "History..." in its style. NK, babbling instead of studying. ---------- From: Neil Kelly To: KLF@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 92 12:31:08 EST Subject: Rarities tape? Lazlo said "It'll <3AM/ENT> be on the rarities tape." Explain, please. Maybe it's something I missed. NK, leaving for a week. ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 09:42:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Trance? > Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record >store with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big >number on it (One is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". >What are these, should I pick them up? Are they what we're talking >about? No, those are the first issues of "3am" and "WTIL". I don't know what material should have been on the "Pure Trance" album... it says something like "taken from the film soundtrack 'The White Room'" on the "Pure Trance" singles. I know they had recorded an album called "Live At Trancentral" but wiped the mastertapes for some reason. The only track left from that album is the Paterson mix ("Orbital") of "3am Eternal". - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: front242@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 05:38:55 -0500 Subject: Re: MU RE: MU My housemate has got it, yes. (The Japanese 5-song thing.) RE: Trance Why not write / phone PIAS? ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: 25 Nov 92 16:09 Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet > Well, there are two 12"'s at my local friendly alternative record store > with 3am Eternal and What Time is Love, each one has a big number on it (One > is 1, the other is 2), and are labeled "Pure Trance". What are these, should > I pick them up? Are they what we're talking about? The Pure Trance series is something The KLF did as part of the original White Room soundtrack - there were to be five singles, each with remixes, released on the run up to Xmas 1988. All would be featured in the movie, which was supposed to be completed by late Summer 1989. In the event, recording delays and indecision meant that only a few of the 10 12" got released: Pure Trance 1 - What Time Is Love [KLF004T, 4R] Pure Trance 2 - 3 AM Eternal [KLF005T, 5R] Pure Trance 5 - Last Train To Trancentral(Remixes) [KLF008R] The others were Pure Trance 3 - Love Trance Pure Trance 4 - Turn Up The Strobe . and then the original versions of Last Train To Trancentral, called Go To Sleep/E-Train To Trancentral. Sleeves and labels were printed for all these non-releases, but the recordings were never satisfactorily finished. There were plans to remix the above as an album called "Pure Trance", and then further as "Live At Trancentral", as well as having them on the White Room soundtrack. As is usual with most KLF plans, it didn't happen. There's an excellent booklet I was sent a week or so ago now, that details this, and almost all other matters regarding The KLF. It's written by a contact of mine who lives someplace in the south of England - I haven't met him yet, but we have been writing to each other for two years now, and he is very close to The KLF. The booklet is produced with the help of The KLF, and Mike Dutton, who is a well-known record dealer in the UK. It's a fascinating read, very detailed, nicely presented, with illustrations and photographs. Pete Robinson- "Justified And Ancient History (The Unfolding Story Of The KLF)" It includes the history of The KLF, its development under various guises, copies of press releases, label copies, press ads, chronology/biography and discography, inside information, and loads more. Forthcoming soon is the "Alternative KLF 1992 Mail Order" sheet, which will have "bpm23 - Who Killed The KLF?"/"KLF R.I.P." T-shirts available, and A5 or A4 size copies of the "J&A History booklet". I recomend anyone interested in The KLF/JAMS/Illuminati (andthe Orb even get a few brief mentions) gets a copy of this. Pete sent me a copy of the booklet gratis (I get a credit at the back for some reason, even though I didn't know he was producing it until it arrived - pays me back for not writing for half a year :), and I have the sale price - but as most readers of this list are overseas, I shall have to check with him about postage and method of payment etc... Anyone interested in this 78-page booklet (and as a rough guide - in the UK he's selling it for 2.80 pounds sterling [A5 size - 4.80 for A4]) should mail me pretty soon please, and I'll let Pete know how much interest there is. Go on... it's cheap, interesting, and informative - and has to be worth getting! From the back cover :: " Five years to the day, The JAMs had released, under a number of aliases (predominantly The KLF), six albums and twenty-five singles, began the ABBA revival four years before Erasure recorded 'that' single, and were directly responsible for the resurrections of the careers of Tammy Wynette, Gary Glitter and Extreme Noise Terror. But we all make mistakes. " Culf. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 12:15:11 MST Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet Culf and others: If it would help with postage and ease-of-ordering, I'd be willing to buy copies of 'Justified And Ancient History' in bulk and distribute them to listmembers here in the States at my cost. Could you ask Pete if he'd be willing to knock the price down a bit (or what the price would be, period) for, say, a twenty- or thirty-copy order? -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: ahmadi@decsqurl.declab.QueensU.CA To: J.R.Binks@EEE.SALFORD.AC.UK, klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Thu, 26 Nov 92 20:21:10 -0500 Subject: Re:Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet RE: 78-page booklet. I'd definitely be interested. ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk To: lazlo@triton.unm.edu Date: 26 Nov 92 23:11 Subject: Re[2]: Trance? & JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY booklet Lazlo, et al : > If it would help with postage and ease-of-ordering, I'd be willing to buy > copies of 'Justified And Ancient History' in bulk and distribute them to > listmembers here in the States at my cost. Could you ask Pete if he'd be > willing to knock the price down a bit (or what the price would be, period) > for, say, a twenty- or thirty-copy order? Well, I phoned Pete up while at On The Wire (radio show) tonight, and he says he hasn't any of the smaller size left, and about 8 of the larger A4 ('day-glow' pink apparently), BUT he is getting some more printed. I've had quite a large response to this... so it looks well worth your while getting a largish batch Lazlo. I mentioned to Pete that I'd told the list, and he is going to look into prices for sending abroad. I'll give him another call this weekend and let him know the response I've gotten here. It might be a while before this gets organised though, so bear with us. As someone else on the list commented to me (Drew), this was advertised by Steve Wright on Britain's most popular (poplier) afternoon radio show - this is because (inside knowledge here!) Scott Piering, who runs Appearing Promotions (long associated with KLF Communications) was well impressed with it, and passed it on to Steve. Also, Bill Drummond was impressed. Cressida and Sallie from KLF Comms haven't been in touch, or haven't been asked :) . So, Lazlo, shall I ask Pete for 25 copies say, and then see what sort of numbers he comes up with?? I shall phone Cressida this weekend too if I get the chance, and mention the tape of KLF rarities, and see if I can wangle something out of them... maybe a Monster Attack Mix or something... :) . We'll see. Is there anything in particular you'd like that you can't get hold of?? (mail me absolutely ASAP please, I leave here tomorrow afternoon!). More news soon... here's another enticing quote : " Drummond and Cauty will probably release the new single next week under a totally new alias and ruin everything. Let's hope so. " And more, from the final part of Distribution Girl : " She remembers the words of The KLF, something about which records burn well. She finds her matches; in the cupboard with her Rizlas. Lights a match, drops it on the heap. At the summit sits the NME. The pile erupts. 'Burn The Beat'. As the flames lick the ceiling like the Angels Of Mu finally finding freedom, Distribution Girl collects her belongings. 'At least I'll still get the Orb promos.' The bag is full. Time to go. But she's already there. " " The door swings open. " Culf. ---------- From: Christian Bartholdsson To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 15:02:45 +0100 >More news soon... here's another enticing quote : > > " Drummond and Cauty will probably release the new single next week under > a totally new alias and ruin everything. Let's hope so. " I read in NME last week that Bill and Zodiac Mindwarp are going to the North Pole where they will place a picture of Elvis Presley. Then they will write a book about the trip. - chris@minsk.docs.uu.se ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: 27 Nov 92 16:47 Subject: KLF Book - update OK, Further to Lazlo's suggestion of him buying in bulk and redistributing in the states, I got an offer from someone who will do likewise for Australia, if it's worth it. Now, it helps if we know more definitely how many people want copies, so then the appropriate number can be ordered to save hassles all around. So far, I have had interested enquiries from: Lazlo Nibble @unm.edu (twenty- or thirty-copy order?) David Datta @uwp.edu Matt Hargreaves @seattle.usa Drew Radtke @bradford.ac.uk Alan Jaffray @uchicago.edu jeffy @MIT.EDU (2) John A Savage @jhu.edu (via UK?) paul eng-yi tan @Mu.OZ.AU Richard P Kernin @NIAGARA.EDU ahmadi @declab.queensu.ca Christian Bartholdsson @UU.SE Kalalahti Matti @tut.fi (A4) Ola Torstensson @lth.se Dave Llewellyn @loughborough.ac.uk Mario @mu.OZ.AU That's 7 US, 1 Canadian, 2 Australian, 2 Swedish, 2 UK, and a Finland. Or something. Lazlo's offered to do USA distribution (generally... inc Ca?) and Mario for Oz.. The UK is no problem for Pete :) . Finland and Sweden are slightly more out-of-the-way (no offense!), but shouldn't be too difficult. I'll tell him he's got interested parties from these countries too. If anyone else Stateside would like a copy, then please let Lazlo AND myself know... similarly for Australia, mail Mario and myself. Thanks... Culf. ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf@asylum.sf.ca.us) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 92 11:43:30 MST Subject: The KLF Book > If anyone else Stateside would like a copy, then please let Lazlo AND myself > know... I haven't been keeping track of who's been requesting copies from me until now, so if you've sent me a request over the past day or two, please *resend* your request to *klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us* and I'll start filing them more carefully. That goes for new requests too. (Don't worry too much about not being able to get a copy, though -- I plan to order more than enough for everyone.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Nou Dadoun To: , Date: 27 Nov 92 11:13 -0800 Subject: Re: The KLF Book Depending on the cost, I might go for 4 or 5 copies for the shop [we're a jazz/folk/blues store for the most part, but the other guys have been having a hoot because I keep ordering all these Orb CD single remixes, and some of the UK double Adventures and somebody keeps buying them, and not just me...], but one for myself at least. -----------------------------------------------------> Nou ==== Nou Dadoun | ubc-cs!cs.ubc.ca!dadoun | Black Swan Records, Dpt. of Comp. Sci., UBC, | dadoun@cs.ubc.ca | 2936 W. 4th Ave., Vancouver, BC, V6T 1W5 |-------------------------| Vancouver, BC, V6K 1R2 (604) 822-3065 / 822-5485 [FAX] | (604) 734-2828 / 734-2899 [FAX] ---------- From: dlkung@MEDIA-LAB.MEDIA.MIT.EDU To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Sat, 28 Nov 92 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Patterns and Textures I've just returned from a fantastically successful shopping trip to NYC and I picked up the Orb video Patterns and Textures. The video is ok, you can pretty much zone to it, it's basic video effects superimposed with concert footage, landscapes and the rotoscoped dolphin featured in the Blue Room video. If you've seen the Blue Room video, Patterns and Textures is pretty much like a 50 minute version. As for the "live" CD included, I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, besides hearing it while watching it last night. I'll post a more extensive review later, but Little Fluffy Clouds and Perpetual Dawn are pretty different, actually, all the tracks are but I need more time to compare. Also... Sorry to any New Yorkers on the list but I picked up the last copy. I got it at Rebel Rebel on Bleeker, they may get more later. -dave ps. Put me on the list for the KLF book!!! ---------- From: David Eschatfische <2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu> To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: 29 Nov 1992 21:52:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Dr. Alex Paterson OK, excuse my ignorance, but I _gotta ask_...I've NEVER seen it mentioned... What is Dr. Alex Paterson a doctor of? Thanks... -------------------------------------------------------------------- David Eschatfische 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU |"Where all is bad... ----------------------------------------------| it must be good to D O N ' T B E F O O L E D. NO ONE IS SAFE! | know the worst." * "Good luck, bad luck, waiting in a line." * | - the Art Of Noise -------------------------------------------------------------------- "Opinions expressed are that of my oppressors." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: 2609COWEND@vmsf.csd.mu.edu (David Eschatfische) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 21:59:04 MST Subject: Re: Dr. Alex Paterson > OK, excuse my ignorance, but I _gotta ask_...I've NEVER seen it mentioned... > What is Dr. Alex Paterson a doctor of? Like Dr. Henry Kissinger, absolutely nothing. -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us (klf@asylum.sf.ca.us) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 92 22:55:19 MST Subject: Administrivia -- Week 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Messages: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us :: T R A N C E N T R A L :: FTP Archives: asylum.sf.ca.us, pub/klf :: the klf, orb & co. mailing list :: Please send all SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: requests to: klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ WEEK 003 (22 Nov 92-28 Nov 92): 040 Messages (pub/klf/Archives/klflist-9211-3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subscription level remained steady at 88 over the last week. I hope all our Stateside readers enjoyed the holiday. KLF: JUSTIFIED AND ANCIENT HISTORY ---------------------------------- As you probably already know, I'm trying to arrange a bulk order of a new small-press biography of the KLF from the UK. Culfinion explained in a post this week: There's an excellent booklet I was sent a week or so ago now, that details this, and almost all other matters regarding The KLF. It's written by a contact of mine who lives someplace in the south of England - I haven't met him yet, but we have been writing to each other for two years now, and he is very close to The KLF. The booklet is produced with the help of The KLF, and Mike Dutton, who is a well-known record dealer in the UK. It's a fascinating read, very detailed, nicely presented, with illustrations and photographs. Pete Robinson- "Justified And Ancient History (The Unfolding Story Of The KLF)" It includes the history of The KLF, its development under various guises, copies of press releases, label copies, press ads, chronology/biography and discography, inside information, and loads more. Forthcoming soon is the "Alternative KLF 1992 Mail Order" sheet, which will have "bpm23 - Who Killed The KLF?"/"KLF R.I.P." T-shirts available, and A5 or A4 size copies of the "J&A History booklet". I recomend anyone interested in The KLF/JAMS/Illuminati (andthe Orb even get a few brief mentions) gets a copy of this. Pete sent me a copy of the booklet gratis (I get a credit at the back for some reason, even though I didn't know he was producing it until it arrived - pays me back for not writing for half a year :), and I have the sale price - but as most readers of this list are overseas, I shall have to check with him about postage and method of payment etc... Anyone interested in this 78-page booklet (and as a rough guide - in the UK he's selling it for 2.80 pounds sterling [A5 size - 4.80 for A4]) should mail me pretty soon please, and I'll let Pete know how much interest there is. Go on... it's cheap, interesting, and informative - and has to be worth getting! From the back cover :: "Five years to the day, The JAMs had released, under a number of aliases (predominantly The KLF), six albums and twenty-five singles, began the ABBA revival four years before Erasure recorded 'that' single, and were directly responsible for the resurrections of the careers of Tammy Wynette, Gary Glitter and Extreme Noise Terror. But we all make mistakes. " I'm willing to buy copies in bulk and in turn sell them to North American members of the list at my cost . . . and already have over thirty-five requests for the booklet. So far there's no word on whether such a bulk order is even possible, but if it turns out to be, we'll be ready to go. I'll keep you posted. If you placed a request for the book that isn't listed below, or if you want to place a new request, please email me at the klf-request address. David Datta Brian Behlendorf (Vitamin B) Nou Dadoun Pete Hartman Alan Jaffray athomas@bonnie.ics.uci.edu romkey@asylum.sf.ca.us Andrew Bennett dlkung@media-lab.media.mit.edu Matt Hargreaves Richard P Kernin ahmadi@declab.queensu.ca James Word Mike Brown Jason Bilsky Hani W Akhras Jeff Hansen chisholm@seabass.st.usm.edu front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu SOUND AND PICTURES FOR THE ARCHIVE: ----------------------------------- John Romkey has offered to allow the storage of relevant sounds and QuickTime movies (within reason, of course) on the archives. I assume, though I haven't asked him directly yet, that this offer is also open to still pictures. Please contact me with size and content information if you have anything you might consider appropriate. Jason Bilsky's scanned KLF/Orb covers might be a nice start, and John is willing to spigot video for us. (He points out -- and I agree -- that digitizing entire videos would be prohibitive, but samples from them would be fun to play with.) -- .^. Lazlo Nibble (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) [()=()] Maintainer of Trancentral: The KLF/Orb & Co. Mailing List. /_____\ Email klf-request@asylum.sf.ca.us to subscribe. ---------- From: J.R.Binks@eee.salford.ac.uk To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: 30 Nov 92 13:30 Subject: KLF Booklet & T-shirt : prices and postage details OK. I've been in touch with Pete again, and he's sent me some prices. Here's a summary: JUSTIFIED & ANCIENT - HISTORY A5 edition : 2.30 PoundsSterling + P&P : 0.50 [UK] : 0.65 [Europe] : 1.20 [Oz & FarEast] | These prices look a bit odd : 1.50 [RestOfTheWorld] | in comparison to the below... A4 edition : 4.30 PoundsSterling + P&P : 0.60 [UK] : 0.90 [Europe] : 2.20 [Oz & FarEast] : 1.90 [RestOfTheWorld] WHO KILLED THE KLF? - T-shirt ShortSleeved BlackOnWhite : 9.00 PoundsSterling + P&P : 1.00 [UK] : 2.00 [Europe] : 3.90 [Oz & FarEAst] : 3.50 [RestOfTheWorld] LongSleeved WhiteOnBlack : 14.00 PoundsSterling + P&P : 1.00 [UK] : 1.80 [Europe] : 3.50 [Oz & FarEast] : 3.00 [RestOfTheWorld] ALL CHEQUES (that's CHECKS if you're non-UK :), POSTAL ORDERS (POs), and INTERNATIONAL MONEY ORDERS (IMOs) PAYABLE TO "P. ROBINSON". SEND TO: "Justified & Ancient-History", 57, Maple Drive, East Grinstead, West Sussex, RH19 3UR. THE U.K. ** REMEMBER : PRICES ARE IN POUNDS STERLING !! ** Allow 28 days for delivery. Note to all peoples: UK paper standards. An A4 sheet of paper measures 298mm by 210mm, that's 11 and 7/10ths of an inch by 8 and quarter inches :) . A5 is an A4 sheet folded in half (parallel to the shortest side). Note to Lazlo and the US/Ca peoples: Pete is quite amenable to the suggestion of a bulk order, for redistribution. Needs to know how many you want though, as he will probably need to get some more printed up. Then the basic cost (from the above) can be worked out, and then a cut-price deal struck where possible. Note to UK peoples: The booklet is also available in certain stores : Virgin Megastore Bookshop, Tower Records, Sister Ray and Selectadisc in London, and also Probe Records in Liverpool. However, there is a markup by the stores on these, and mailorder probably works out cheaper anyway :) . There's an advertisement halfway down the first column of page 213 of the current issue of Record Collector, but unfortunately Pete forgot to mention the overseas postage prices... If you intend to order a copy directly, be nice and let me know please... FINAL NOTE FOR US/CA PEOPLES: IF YOU INTEND TO ORDER INDIVIDUALLY RATHER THAN WAIT FOR LAZLO'S BULK ORDER, DON'T FORGET TO LET HIM KNOW YOU WON'T REQUIRE A COPY. BUT THE CHANCES ARE IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO GET THEM FROM LAZLO... THAT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT YET :) . Any queries, just mail me : j.r.binks@eee.salford.ac.uk Culf. ---------- From: Hani W Akhras To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:26:20 EST Subject: Aubrey Mixes I went to a CD store to order the Aubrey Mixes and I was confronted with a dilemma; there were 2 versions. One was titled The Aubrey Mixes and the other was titled The Aubrey Mixes - The UltraWorld Excursions. The former was $10.99 and the latter was $16.99. Whats the difference? Also, how are the MU remixes? Are they worth having? ____________________ hani w akhras hwa@fassm.jhuapl.edu ---------- From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 13:53:40 PST Subject: 1987 bootleg CD for sale I talked to the guy who made the original bootleg CD of the JAMs 1987 album. He still has a whole bunch left, and he would like to get rid of them. I asked him what his bottom line would be if he could sell a decent number of them, and he said that he would sell the CDs with the inserts (but no jewel boxes) for $5 each, or the CD with the insert and jewel box for $6 each. I am not marking the price up at all, but I will want an additional 50 cents per CD to cover shipping. (If you're outside of North America, I'll want an additional $1 per CD for shipping. All checks must be drawn on an American bank.) If you would like to order some, you can order them through me. I'm setting a minimum order of 4 CDs per person, which would cost you $22, which is a good deal considering that I've seen stores selling individual copies of this CD for that much. If you have friends who would be interested in this CD, pool your orders together. This CD makes a fine Christmas gift. To order, send me a check for the appropriate amount (either $5.50 per CD or $6.50 per CD). My address: Mike Wertheim, 403 Hiller St, Belmont, CA 94002. I will make one large order from the guy on January 1st, so I'll need to have your check by December 31st. (If you're interested, don't procrastinate. I've done this kind of thing before, and even if I give four weeks notice, people always miss the deadline because they put it off.) Quick description of the CD: this is a bootleg of the JAMs album "1987", which got the JAMs into legal trouble because of their blatant sampling of the Abba song "Dancing Queen". (They pretty much sample the entire song.) The album was issued on vinyl, but due to the legal action the JAMs were forced to recall and destroy all unsold copies. It was never released on CD. This CD is a bootleg made from the original vinyl. There is some surface noise, but it is tolerable. ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us, sybase!mw@sun.com Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 19:36:10 -0500 Subject: ig SIGN ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *ahem* If you would be so kind as to put a set of 4 aside for me, I will gladly purchase them. Write back to me before the week is up, if you could.... Thanx. ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 19:39:52 EST Subject: RE: 1987 Bootleg for sale... SIGN ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *ahem* If you would be so kind as to put 4 copies aside for me, I will gladly purchase them. Write back to me by the end of the week w/ ordering info, SnailMail address, etc., cool? Thanx. -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- From: front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Cerebus the Aardvark) To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 20:25:13 EST Subject: Sorry... Sorry for those of you who got a post titled "ig," which is/was the same thing as my reply to the 1987 boot. sale..... My mailer sux sometimes, y'know??????? -- ============================================================================= Geoff Wessel ALIASES: Weasel, Cerebus, schmuck, f**khead, "Hey you", etc. VAX: 00GDWESSEL OR 00GDWESSEL@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU UNIX:front242@bsu-cs.bsu.edu ============================================================================= "Vengeance is a friend of mine/Fear is the key...." --FRONTLINE ASSEMBLY ============================================================================= ---------- From: Brian Hostetler To: klf@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1992 20:28:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: KLF Jams This Jams CD (1987). I swear I saw it somewhere this weekend. Was this ever officialy released on CD, or did I see a boot? -- -brian *bhostetl@ucs.indiana.edu | "Stop and breathe, close my eyes bhostetl@iubacs.bitnet | and smell and listen... no more cotton bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | candy, no more band concerts..." ---------- From: Lazlo Nibble To: bhostetl@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Hostetler) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 21:42:28 MST Subject: Re: KLF Jams > This Jams CD (1987). I swear I saw it somewhere this weekend. > Was this ever officialy released on CD, or did I see a boot? You saw a boot. There are a couple versions out there (and I'm looking for the one with the live tracks on it, if anyone can help . . . ) -- Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu) hey gang! i just invented ascii fractals! /\[]{][])%$$*(*><,.[\]' ---------- From: sybase!mw@Sun.COM (Michael Wertheim) To: front242@BSU-CS.BSU.EDU Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 23:38:56 PST Subject: RE: 1987 Bootleg for sale... > Write back to me by the end of the week w/ ordering info, SnailMail address, > etc., cool? I did give that info, but here it is again.... Minimum order: 4 CDs. Price: $5.50 / CD (no jewel case), $6.50 / CD (with jewel case) Send check to: Mike Wertheim 403 Hiller Street Belmont, CA 94002